Help I have no clue !

There is this 1967 Krugerrand piece I'm looking at. On on side it has, "KRUGERRAND" and "FYNGOUD 1 OZ FINE GOLD". On the other side it has "SUID-AFRIKA-SOUTH AFRICA" Here are some pictures. How do you know if something like this is real of a fake? Educate me as to what to look for. Your expertise is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

 

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The wording is in English and Afrikaans.
It would have to be measured, weighed and a magnet test.
If unsure take it to a coin dealer or jeweller.

 

I hope this doesn't come out sounding offensive, but thirty seconds looking genuine ones up with Google would have made the comical differences between this....something....and and a real one immediately apparent. The lettering isn't remotely close, Kruger's hair and beard and that on the springbok's back look like they were drawn by a child, and the initials above GOLD aren't even the right letters.

And there's plenty of other problems.

Listen, I knew none of this before reading this thread. Like usual. Just go out and look for information, like I do almost every time I answer a question here. I don't know this stuff beforehand.

 

Looks really fake to me

 

The word COPY has been blurred out.

 

I did go out and look at multiple site. One says it's real,one says it's fake. After awhile confusion reigns supreme and that's is why I posted this on the site. Each person will have their own opinion I want to get input during the weekend and when my local coin shop opens on Monday I can take it to them and ask.

 

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...ugerrand-No-Copy-Coin/906317_1500411062.html#!

 

Just go to the Heritage Auctions archive - membership is free and requires no financial information - or the PCGS Auction Results website for links to sold coins, and look at real ones. I don't get how you were unable to determine this ridiculous fake's identity instantly - the first full page of Google results for "1967 Krugerrand" returned examples of real coins and the differences are stunningly obvious.

I want to know what site said it was real. Seriously. Link me. I'm gonna go there and make them wish they'd never existed.

 

Folks please buy your expensive items from trusted dealers that stand behind the authenticity of their products....

 

Look at the disgust in Kruger's face. Almost like he's thinking "And so what's wrong with apartheid?"

 

Clue #1 - Do not use websites to do serious research. It is too easy to create bogus sites with either intentionally or accidentally bogus information. This is ESPECIALLY true where there can be a financial motive to deceive the reader - as in EVERYTHING related to coins.

My best advice is put down the stupid mouse and buy or borrow a dead tree book. Newbs can save themselves LOTS of pain by staying off the internet regarding coins.

Read the next lines with the annoying Millennial speech pattern where every utterance goes up in pitch at the end like a question:
There used to be the people(?), called editors(?) and publishers(?) who would fact-check stuff(?) so garbage wouldn't get out in the mainstream(?), like y'know(?).

Then the internet happened and we now are more ignorant than we've ever been as a society.

When next in a Borders, or heaven forfend a public library, check out (either figuratively or literally, depending on which) The Cult of the Amateur: How Today's Internet is Killing Our Culture by Andrew Keen, published by Doubleday/Currency. It was copyrighted nine years ago and the problem it describes has only gotten orders of magnitude worse.

 

Where's the book on Krugerrands?

I couldn't disagree more completely. Part of the "skill" of online research is vetting the sources; that seems to be a step few even attempt. That's why nobody trusts the information available on the Internet. The same laziness making them prefer to be spoon-fed makes them believe anything they read rather than checking the source. And people like myself are more than willing to provide known-quality sites for research, as I've already done in this thread.

 

Yes... and don't use coin forums to get opinions from robots pretending to be actual people... riiiight.

 

You yourself have cited very succinctly the problem. Where's the "book" on Krugerrands? Gee, I've seen several, most of them picked up at ANA World's Fairs on Money distributed by the South African Mint themselves. You'd be surprised what you can learn actually GOING to ANA shows for reasons other than cherrypicking at bourse tables or sleeping overnight on damp concrete for a coin to flip. There are talks, lectures, World Mint Stage presentations, looking at products you don't own at world mint tables, competitive exhibits, etc. ad nauseum. The bourse is the LEAST of going to an ANA show. I go to LEARN, not so much to SHOP.

But you are correct about the abject laziness of most web obsessed denizens. Bad information is growing far faster than good is. Ever hear the expression "a lie gets around the world twice before the truth gets its boots on"? It's true, and the Internet caused it. And our primarily but not exclusively Chinese friends threaten to make detecting fakes even more tough than it currently is going forward.

 

You ain't lyin'.

The reasons I push the Internet as an information source are A) you can get your information fast enough to make an informed decision about a coin you're looking to buy right now, and B) it develops the same cautions which protect you from buying counterfeits.

Treeware is done, man. Face it.

 

I am quite certain Whitman Publishing, among others, disagree with you. I'm ready to fire off my order for Mega Red volume #2 right now. My numismatic library includes more than 100 books NOT including auction catalogs from major sales, and they take up another 30 or so linear feet of bookshelf space all by themselves. And that's AFTER having thinned that particular herd significantly fairly recently.

I have decided that buying right and buying right now are mutually exclusive, at least for me. I never lose sleep over the transaction NOT made, but have more than once on transactions made in haste.

 

That attitude transfers easily to the Internet environment; it's just that the term "haste" is measured in a shorter timeframe. Your concept of the timeframe is going to die with us. Already, some of the best numismatic tools available - the Early Dollar Attribution Wizard and VAMworld come to mind - are only available online.

Me, I'm just trying to read and act on the handwriting on the wall.

 

Completely disagree. There are plenty of websites that are a fantastic resource and many of those specialty books can actually be found and read online. PCGS and David Lawrence both have sections of their site where you can read some of those reference books. The Ike group has a great site as well as many other clubs as well.

It's really not that people shouldn't use the internet it is more that you just need to know how to use it and not believe every GoDaddy or dealer site that pops up. The information from the books and reference guides is all on the internet and often times there is actually additional or updated information to be found, you just have to put a little effort in to find it and in some cases cross check it

 

I guess the problem I have is most of the times I need access to reference materials when away from home, there IS NO internet bandwidth to be had. Even at home, my net bandwidth is expressed in kilobits, not megabits. So I use dead trees.

 

"The trouble with quotes found on the internet is that they are so often unreliable" - Abraham Lincoln