Net Grade This Details Coin #1

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Net Grade?

  1. PO-01

    3 vote(s)
    30.0%
  2. FR-02

    3 vote(s)
    30.0%
  3. AG-03

    2 vote(s)
    20.0%
  4. G-04

    2 vote(s)
    20.0%
  5. G-06

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  6. VG-08

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  7. VG-10

    0 vote(s)
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  8. F-12

    0 vote(s)
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  9. Higher (post a comment on the grade)

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  1. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Just in case my actual opinion was hidden by the wall of text I just posted, let me make it clear:

    This is possibly the most egregious case I've seen of PCGS slamming an unmentionable part of their anatomy in the door with a grade opinion, and I've seen some pretty....curious....opinions from them in the last two or three years.
     
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  3. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Not necessarily. Reverse down in the surf where the tide is actually moving over the face could have certainly worn that down over the years while just corroding the reverse.
     
  4. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I quite concede the possibility. It's a plausible and believable theory, well-supported by the visual evidence. That kind of process probably wouldn't have messed much with the actual diameter of the coin, while wearing it greatly on the faces. Wouldn't be surprised - of course, we'll never know - if you're absolutely right about how it came to be.

    Doesn't explain how PCGS managed to call it Uncirculated after all that, though. :)
     
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  5. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    I think PCGS made a labeling mistake, and through a possible comedy of errors, it got through. I think we've all seen ludicrous mistakes made in our workplaces that leave everyone saying "How did that happen?"
     
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  6. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I'm praying this be the case, but even if so it points to a very serious flaw in their process.
     
  7. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    You can be amazed what a dissatisfied employee can do on their last day on the job.
     
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  8. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Very true we will never know for certain without a time machine but we do know it needed to be some combination of mother nature abusing the obverse while the reverse was relatively protected.

    Considering we are looking most likely at a 150 years of mother natures abuse and could be upwards of 200 years I do think that coin was uncirculated or at the very least a very high AU when she got her hands on it. The lettering on the obverse is still quite strong and even with the obverse there is still a good amount of detail left considering how long it was likely exposed.

    From a purely technical standpoint UNC or AU details is likely technically correct, that said in the age of market grading FR/PO Details would be more of the proper net grade
     
  9. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Keep in mind, the level of detail we see, obverse vs. reverse, is not really out of proportion for the issue. Check out how much reverse detail remains on these at VF and below. I honestly don't think corrosion ate all that much off the coin.
     
  10. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I think this coin was at xf at best when it went in the water cuts a horror show now I wouldn't buy it at any price
     
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  11. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    Let's just hope this guy doesn't get his hands on the op coin :hilarious:...

     
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  12. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    Is Bob Johnson a grader at PCGS now?
     
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  13. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    OK, I ROFLed. :)
     
  14. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    Who's Bob Johnson and what's the joke?
     
  15. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    He's Centsles and NNC.
     
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  16. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    SD beat me to the post. Well played.
     
  17. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    Now that is hilarious :hilarious:
     
  18. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Tragicomic, actually. It seems he was once a finalist in one of the PCGS World Series of Grading - plainly a world-class grader - and chose the Dark Side instead.
     
  19. charlottedude

    charlottedude Novice Collector

    Bob Johnson... hilarious! About the coin... um, ugly.

    'dude
     
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