Current “Popular” Fake Morgans, Slabs and PCGS on-line Certs

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Jack D. Young, Mar 18, 2023.

  1. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    For the 3 top appearing counterfeit Morgan $’s and slabs currently on the Internet there are various states of the on-line cert in a progression…

    The #1 bad example in my review is the fake 1881-CC; it became notorious on the Internet and the cert was well handled in my opinion!

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    Listings are far and few between now and some have taken to interesting approaches to try to sell them.

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    #2 is the bad 1883-CC; in this case the cert was deactivated- not quite as effective as the ’81-CC cert, it still will let the researcher know something may be up with this one.

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    After his 1st attempt didn’t work, the seller again tried the new approach:

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    And #3 may be more problematic, as the cert has had no apparent TPG response BUT there is at least an image of the genuine coin (no slab image) in a past auction.

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    Unfortunately, this one does show up in past sales through the PCGS web site and auction archives. The images of this one are particularly hideous…

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    The site for these bad apples has changed its name since I started reporting them; current listing for the 1899’s can be found at https://collectingio.com/products/1899-morgan-dollar-uncirculated, they are cheaper to buy in groups of three.

    Any help the TPGs can offer through the on-line certs is certainly appreciated as these bad “coins” continue to plague the marketplace and Hobby- just one’s opinion…
     
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  3. Jim Dale

    Jim Dale Well-Known Member

    There are a lot of counterfeit Morgans out there. I bought a western set of the Morgan Silver Dollar coins. They were graded as a set. There was an 1882CC, 1883CC, and an 1884CC in the set. NGC graded them all MS 65. They are all very nice. I buy certified Morgans when the price is right. I am working on getting a complete certified set of Morgans when my family leaves me a million dollars. I'm 75 and still waiting....
     
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  4. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    The genuine slabbed 1899:

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  5. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    A little off topic, but one of the Morgan guys also had this bad 1925 Stone Mountain Comms and good PCGS Cert-

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    Several sellers, one decided to remove the label from the slab after I reported his listings.

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    The label and holder are big giveaways, but I also found an apparent die mark on the reverse I have not seen on genuine pieces- experts out there let me know different!

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    These also found their way into the PCGS auction search data base…

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    Best, Jack.
     
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  6. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

  7. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Someone woke up:D...

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  8. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    So sad,even common coins are in question now about authenticity scares.
     
  9. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Yes, and then they make it into beginner's collector sites like this...

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  10. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    WOW, another cert bites the dust! I wonder what cert they will start using for the 1899's?

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  11. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    And now the German site appears to love selling the 1925's...

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  12. LakeEffect

    LakeEffect Average Circulated

    I just checked out the eoosboi.com site, it was new to me. Disappointing but not surprising. Somewhat funny they used some Heritage Auction photos in their catalogo_O.

    The "PCGS AU-58 1916-D Mercury dime" looks about VG-8 but for $19.95 I suppose it's a great deal even if the TPGs overgraded it :)
     
  13. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    WOW, and now "10 available"...

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  14. Bambam8778

    Bambam8778 Well-Known Member

    What a shame. One of the things we must do is to keep reporting these kinds of fakes, educate everyone through posts like this and share the knowledge with everyone. It seems to be getting worse as time goes on but we can try to slow it down a bit.
     
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  15. Player11

    Player11 Bullish

    Seen a lot of CC out there…possibly fake.
     
  16. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    Your #3 1899-CC barcode scans as 12277603. With a QR reader app we can at least weed some of them out.
     
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