Why does it seem that the older numismatists

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In view of subsequent events and another deacde of wisdom gained, I don't really feel that necessary as I've filled in a few blanks on my own. There's a reason I chose not to continue posting there; I'm not banned. All the same, the point stands that if one personality can drive you from a community - however "powerful" - chances are you're a bit oversensitive to be happy on the Internet. Which I believe is being proven out in this thread.

If it comes to it, you butt heads until you learn how to get along. You and I managed it.

 

Yeah, that 2015-D Blue Ridge may be nice and all, but since 2011, it is pretty much likely that somebody's D Blue Ridge taken from a Mint Set will beat that circ. find with a few dings in it. Or even have a look at the D's in the 3-coin sets (P, D, proof clad S) of each type. REALLY nice examples, by and large. A few may even reach MS68. MS67 is a virtual certainty for some of them. In general, Denver IS producing PL coins, not just ATB's, but Kennedy halves, too. I have two NGC certified PL's from 2015-D, and the last time I looked, there were NO PL's from Philly. Philly is making frosty metal flow fields, Denver is making PL's.

 

Good ol' 1881-S Morgans, so much beauty, so little respect.

 

I stay here in spite of him.

 

How could that possibly be? Doesn't everybody love Richard Petty?

 

I know the OP has beaten his hasty retreat, but I will herewith pontificate briefly. Young newbs need to be aware that often when they think they have something special, they are mistaken. If it were easy to acquire a valuable piece, it pretty much wouldn't be valuable, now would it? Keep that in mind, Mr. or Ms. Newbie. Those of us who have acquired the greying of our locks have more experience upon which to draw, and I won't speak of others, but I'm nearly 61 now, and I'll put the quality of my formal, and informal, education up against most, even the nuvo riche of hot-shot Silicon Valley coders and software engineers. There were colleges in this country for far longer than many "kids" apparently think. The one I attended, and from which I graduated, was founded well before 1800 and still survives today, despite having granted me a degree in economics. Ironic, huh?

Now, all that said, the decision on whether a coin is worth having slabbed is an intensely personal one. The reasons can be as varied as one's imagination. It is fairly ignorant (and not at all uncommon, as it turns out) that a dealer would impute his own perfectly valid (for him) reasons for sending a coin in for grading upon the person before him. This hobby, and this market, is not just bifurcated, it's highly micro-segmented. Some are having things graded to enhance their immediate marketability. Some are assembling the future collections of their multi-generational progeny. Dealers need to ASK, not TELL customers about what their goals are.

Some of the oddest slabbing examples, when taken one by one, begin to make obvious sense when taken as a whole, as in assembling a grading set, for example.

 

If you understand my point, then I don't understand your little jab about "who wins" to me. When I engage in debates with Doug, it is not to get him to agree with me, that is impossible. Rather, it is to give the readers of this forum an opposing opinion and they can decide for themselves which opinion to believe.

And I too was a moderator of a coin forum that spun off from Cointalk, so I understand the pressures and difficulties of being a moderator. But let me be clear, I have absolutely no problem with Doug as a moderator. He is the model of consistency and restraint. But he will tell you that he is a member of the forum first, and a moderator second. My problem is that as a member, he has a dogmatic posting style, and he absolutely dismisses anyone who disagrees with him. That in combination with his tenure, post count, and moderator status will intimidate new and inexperienced members of the forum to take every word he types as gospel.

 

I never once said you drive people away in droves Captain Hyperbole! And I don't expect you to engage in introspection at your age, but I promise you that your obstinate posting style alienates others.

 

And yet I find myself oddly drawn to Doug's posts. Hmm...

 

Kurt, don't take this the wrong way, but you march to the beat of your own drummer. That said, I find myself oddly drawn to your posts. You have a sense of humor combined with intellect that is very entertaining.

 

I just ran into another thread where some experienced collectors were trying to give a newbie some very solid advice. Once again, someone got his widdle semsuhtive feelings hurt by someone's "manner."

I don't know which is worse: deliberately rude and offensive people, like the one who triggered this thread, or those who are offended if everyone doesn't get vaudevillian in oh-so-gently tapping around their feelings.

Probably it's a tie.

 

Yep, and while I never did drugs or drank to excess, my own drummer is a HOT MESS! Typical drummer behavior.

 

Perhaps it was just an overreaction on my part. I perceived you as feeling it more important to "win" than to ensure the correct information was in the public domain, regardless of who happened to be the one providing it.

 

What about when a powerful personality drives someone into a community, no matter the general atmosphere

 

Then egos get overblown. Fortunately, I don't think I could become more arrogant than I already am so it's OK.

 

Yeah. Guess I was a little sensitive about that. I wonder how people would benefit by claiming to be something their not.

 

I think they made a movie about that.