Why does it seem that the older numismatists

I'm over 50.
I don't have a pony tail.
I don't even have long hair!
I don't wear a baseball cap while sitting at my computer.
I rarely even wear a baseball cap outdoors!
I only argue with idiots who can't admit when they're wrong!

Chris

 

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Horsehockey!

Chris

 

Thanks for proving my point.

 

LETS GO TO SHOT GLASS CABINET AND HAVE ONE....

 

Or, maybe, JUST MAYBE, over long years of experience they've learned something about a particular subject and they're actually right.

 

Not sure this is apropos to this discussion(?) but perhaps a bit of levity is needed at this point. Besides IF one takes opinions and comments offered on this forum personally then one should refrain from visiting thus eliminating hurt feelings. I believe "chill pills" can be had with a physician prescription.
A promise: NOTHING that I ever post is meant personally, never; it's simply not good manners. Besides, sometimes it's like talking to a post (or a lampost), there's no reasoning.
Now, how about discussing topics related to the forum subject?
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If disagreeing with you serves to prove your point, then you must have a pretty dull needle.

Chris

 

Whenever the customers at the bar decided to propose a toast for something, we always said, CHAIRS!

 

THATS WHAT I AM TALKIN BOUT 9BALL... CHAIRS TO ALL THE CT

 

The very HEART of Numismatics is in saving each piece of history that coin collectors come across.

Unfortunately, that "heart" is being pierced by terms such as "market", "Slabbed", "resale value", etc. None of which address the collector and ALL of which address the coin "business".

If everybody saved every single large cent that was ever made, then there would be a very small market for Large Cents. BUT, the fact of the matter is that not every body did. As such, many have been lost or badly damaged. What was once common, is now collectible.

In 100 years, if we're still around, that 2015 D Blue Ridge Quarter could very well be the Finest Known provided everybody takes the advice of the "Market Masses" by just spending it because it has no value. It has "value" to YOU which is the only thing that actually matters to a Coin Collector.

Nobody really knows what will happen in the future because if they did, then the mintage of 1995-W Proof ASE's would be a helluva lot higher!

Signed, A sassy, argumentative, and condescending old Fart.

 

There's a natural tendency for groups to exclude new members. This might be exascerbated a little when an apparent age difference exists. Newbies just need to force their way in wherever and hope a few individuals will helpthem.

Some people are a little too quick to try to grade or authenticate from a photo. A photo is highly one dimensional; it is a single perspective at a specific point in time with unquantifiable characteristics.

I'd try not to worry about it. I'm a little less likely to respond to a newbie but more likely to lend a hand if he seems to need it.

 

So let me get this straight... this dealer is now a lying bad old guy because he didn't tell you what you wanted to hear? I obviously don't know this fellow, but did it, perhaps, cross your mind that his belief came from years of experience and that he was, in fact, just trying to help you? Had he simply taken the submission, and the coin came back a total waste of time and money, would it then be his fault too?

 

If the OP did not care about resale, but wanted the coin preserved for his collection, or for his own learning and enjoyment, then it wouldn't be a "a total waste of time and money" for him. This point is well made by @19Lyds above.

 

My take on critiquing what some post.

This forum is, hopefully, a permanent historical record which can be searched and researched for valuable information. As such, letting new collectors know about some of the fallacies associated with the Coin Market is very important.
RARE - is often translated into expensive and "expensive" can often be attributed to only a few collectors in a thin market.

No doubt, new collectors should be encouraged BUT encouragement can turn into discouragement when what one thought was rare turns out to be fairly common. Especially after investing money in it for grading.

Additionally, some new collectors (we were all new once) can get bogged down by the BS which seems so readily available in an active coin market. I think it's important to point out the BS and not misleading them into thinking that what they feel is special may not be special to the general coin collecting public.

It can appear harsh (and some are actually meant to be harsh) but often times it's not.

 

I cannot begin to count the number of worthless items I have stuck away over the past 45 years!

As we collect..........we learn. Often times, what we learn has nothing to do with the coins as much as it has to do with what we should and should not do despite our urges OR what we think that everybody else is doing.

 

An observation: Since Saturday there have been three new handles -- with one obviously using two accounts -- who have created accounts, posted rants and just as quickly disappeared after stirring up folks.

There are some people who get a kick out of that. Just an observation.

 

Which would beg the question: did he explain this to the dealer, and did the big old meanie still stomp his feet and refuse to submit for him? If your hypotheticals were true, should the dealer, when asked if the coin is "worth" submitting, have the ability to read the OP's mind to know he wasn't talking about resale? Do you really think that if explained to him, he would refuse to submit with the others?

Come on, man.... if you want to argue points, at least have the decency to stick to the one being made.

 

My understanding is that the dealer didn't "refuse" to submit the coin. I'm only suggesting the possibility that the OP just really liked the coin and thought it worth preserving. An idea that is often foreign to dealers.
Also, I'm not arguing, Bookie. Just showing an alternate perspective.