Was this a PCGS mistake ?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Mojavedave, Feb 16, 2016.

  1. Mojavedave

    Mojavedave Senior Member

    I purchase this 1981-S Susan on E-Bay described as a PCGS PR69DCAM. When I received the coin in the PCGS holder, It has a material defect between the Eagles wing and the moon. I am not sure if the pictures will show the defect, but it appears to be a foreign metal spot causing discoloration. I did check the PCGS number (28196894) for verification and it checks out. Question; Do you suppose this was an over-site by the PCGS grader or does something like this show up over time ? I am returning the coin to the Hugh Image455.jpg Image456.jpg Image457.jpg seller and hopefully he doesn't try to pass it on to another buyer.
     
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  3. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    It looks like a spot that might have developed in the holder.
     
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  4. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Spots usually take some time, though the mint currently has found a way to get them to show up before they even ship the product to you.
     
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  5. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    It's not the seller's fault. He's not a bad guy for selling it as it is. Get a little perspective. Just my opinion, but it isn't like he's selling a 1941-D Walking Liberty Half in a PCGS holder that reads "1938-D" (key date).
     
  6. More than likely it turned in the holder. I've had it happen to me.
     
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  7. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    I've seen that 'bloom' before. Happens often.
     
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  8. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    IMO, this looks more like the color of a "spit" spot or "pin hole" in a cardboard 2X2 not something that happened at the mint. In that case, only the OP or who he got the coin from, knows how long the coin was in the slab If that is the only mark or spot, that's why the PR-69 although 68 or 67 may have more support from posters.
     
  9. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Do you have any information on this?
     
  10. Just another thought to ponder. This specific date and MM isn't very hard to find in a holder from say, 10 years ago. I would prefer those older holders on these later proofs. It gives me a feeling that the coin is stable.
     
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  11. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    As others have noted, it happens. It could have been there at grading or appeared after. Given that this particular coin in a PCGS 69DCAM holder is about a $10 coin, you should have plenty readily available to choose from without that spot (according to PCGS, they have graded 12,817 of these in 69DC).
     
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  12. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Problem is (and it may not be the case with this date and the large # of 69's) when graders assign high grades (perhaps higher than normally deserved) to coin BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT WORTH MUCH it often comes back to bite them down the road. I just grade the coin. All coins the same as best I can regardless of the value. Therefore, I'll never be a TPG. Ever:(
     
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  13. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Just order from the mint and you will see all the spotted crap they send out. Hopefully they at least fired their quality control department a year or two ago, otherwise they're wasting money on them.
     
  14. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    That is not what I asked you. I want to know WHERE YOU GOT THE INFORMATION IN YOUR POST - specifically your statement: "though the mint currently has found a way to get them to show up before they even ship the product to you." I think we all would like to know what they are doing to "spot" spots :watching:.
     
  15. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    It's common sense and common knowledge their quality control has been terrible and coins with spots get shipped out to customers....
     
  16. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...


    So it appears that you just MADE UP A STORY :shifty: about what goes on at the U.S. Mint to impress all of us with the TREMENDOUS AMOUT OF KNOWLEGDGE :yack::yack::yack::yack::yack::yack: you have about numismatics.:arghh: I wonder how long you have been doing this? :oldman: I wonder how many gullible members here have respected your opinion in the past? I wonder if they will regard you as an authority :eek::troll:on all things in the future. :p

    Have you tried that experiment, dipping coins, so we can correct some misinformation - just for the record?
     
  17. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    What are you even talking about lol. A little early to be hitting the sauce today isn't it?

    If you were unaware customers have been receiving spotted products from the mint for some time now you need to spend less time googling names to name drop and more time actually paying attention.
     
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  18. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Actually, no...It's five o'clock somewhere.

    I read here that you are still stuck on spots. I didn't expect you to be able to defend your erroneous statement about the U.S. Mint. So I'll drink to that. :happy:
     
  19. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    I have no idea what's going on in this thread now...
     
  20. conder0289

    conder0289 Member

    I checked the PCGS number you gave, and it shows no record of it
     
  21. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    That makes two of us.
     
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