Banned from Paypal

I saw that. I wonder what is going on there. Did the federal regulators finally decide to break up the trust/monopoly it had arguably created?

 

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No, they're expecting one half to grow faster than the average. So they split the company to set it free...

 

Just received an email (as I'm sure others have) that PayPal is settling a class-action lawsuit for account holders who had their accounts placed under holds or suspensions during a certain period of time in 2015. Not expecting to receive any money, as my case was probably a "legitimate" ToS violation, but went ahead and submitted a claim anyway.

 

What was the end result of this mitzfa

 

when paypal asks for more information and says
that that will help them restore an account, what
they really mean is that the account will be limited,
i.e. useless, forever. giving them more info only
helps them to do this and with future paypal accounts
as well. the same goes for ebay accounts.

 

First, sorry to hear of you initial trouble. I don't remember seeing this thread.

Hopefully, you'll get it all cleared up and your account restored as well as your eBucks.

I don't understand how Heritage can sell Cuban coins and offer PayPal as an payment option, but someone selling a single coin goes through this kind of BS.

 

It's probably a bot. The bot saw "Cuba" and did as it was programmed, closed the account, generated the letter, etc. 100% automated, no human involved...

It is legal to sell pre-revolution Cuban coins, however that level of distinction was apparently not coded into the bot.

And I'll bet that Heritage doesn't put the coin details into the PayPal memo (just the auction# and lot#) so it doesn't trigger the bot.

 

I'd wager this arbitrary and capricious behavior contravenes a dozen US laws. Imagine if they tried to suppress Israeli or Egyptian coins over religious issues or any issue at all. Imagine if they decided oriental rugs couldn't be sold because they are oriental. eBay and Paypal seem to be awful full of themselves which is remarkable for how error prone they are, especially eBay.

 

The economic embargo of Cuba is US Law. PayPal et al are just following the law.

 

Nope!
“Acquiring almost anything from Cuba is illegal for U.S. citizens and permanent residents.

“However, there are some exceptions. Only items that are licensed, informational, or precede the embargo can be purchased from Cuba. While coins are not licensed or informational, coins minted before the embargo was in place can be legally sold and purchased in the United States. Purchasing any coins minted after 1963 can result in heavy fines.”

- See more at: http://www.numismaticnews.net/article/this-weeks-letters-060413#sthash.ZP1DNK15.dpuf

 

I didn't say they were following every NUANCE of the law. But if you can't handle nuances, NO CUBA means you don't violate it.

 

There is no law against Cuba. It is evil to try to institute a law against a people. What's next; will they expunge Cuba from the maps and recall the Ike dollar to erase it?

The law is against importation of Cuban products. Something must be shown to have come directly into the US since the embargo to be affected.

Old Cuban coins have been here all along and most newer Cuban coins arrive from Canada and are not affected.

 

Like I said, the reality of the Cuban Import Embargo is very nuanced. This is why simple things like bots implement simple rules. I'll take the knock for not using the work Import.

https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Pages/cuba.aspx

The US Trade Embargo on Cuban goods was extended to Imports by JFK in February 1962. It may have been backdated to include goods manufactured after the revolution in 1959 (I don't recall, I was very, very little).

You will note that the Treasury regulations do NOT provide for pre-revolution and post revolution distinction!

 

Not to mention that a great many of them were MADE here. Until the 1950's or 60's we made most if not all of Cuba's coins.

 

So, per this clause below from two posts above, are older Cuban coins allowed to be part of transactions in the US?

(3) Is made or derived in whole or in part of any article which is the growth, produce or manufacture of Cuba.​

It doesn't satisfy any of those qualifications directly if older Cuban coins were made in the US.

The a-literal translation of that clause could be translated as the coins were derived by Cuba's economy indirectly, the economy of which prompted the Cuban government to order its coinage to be manufactured by the US Mints. In any case, it's a very intentionally over-arching law, for obvious reasons during its inception.

 

We can say they are silly, mis-interpreting the law, etc. but in the end none of it matters.

PayPal is a private company. As long as they don't violate any laws (discrimination against a protected class of individuals), they are free to say because of X we don't want to do business with you any more, bye bye.

 

In practice (by the US gov't), are they misinterpreting the law?

From my experience, PayPal tends to use the strictest laws or perhaps even interpretations. For example, bayonets can't be sold on eBay since California doesn't allow it. So, PayPal follows the strictest law available, even though it may be legal in other states.

 

It also goes the other way. After MN passed the bullion dealer law, many sellers just said "No customers in MN".

 

They are certainly discriminating against Cuban-Americans who can't buy or sell coins of their own homeland.

ALL minorities are protected in this country. No matter how unpopular eBay or PayPal thinks they are they still have the same rights as all Americans.

How they get away with this is unfathomable. I suppose there aren't many Cuban coin collectors. I find it pretty disturbing personally since there are still lots of Cuban coins I need.

 

Oh, for crying out loud, were're gonna be in bed with them soon.........

Our 'El Presidente' has assured that........