Is this a noteworthy Error 'Discovery'? Will it go anywhere?

When a blank goes through the upsetting mill, giving it its rim, it comes out at a smaller diameter. A blank will be too wide to fit in the collar die. Even if the blank did somehow get into the collar die, there would still be slight evidence of a rim after striking because of the way the die is made.

 

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About saying UNC+++. What should I say? Thanks for saying I'm shyster for not being able to grade coins...... Highest graded is ms66

 

Good point. So why is there no rim? And why does the coin in question look a little squished?

 

Without a picture of both sides of the coin, no one is going to be able to tell you anything.

 

I see. Feels like we are on ebay looking at the 1,000 and 1 wheat penny roll from the same seller that just so happens to have a VDB on the end for the 1,000 and 1 time.

 

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Oh, lord.... you read into that way too much. I don't recall saying that you are anything (or implying that you can't grade), but made a very simple comment regarding a term used. Guilty conscience?

 

Important Notes
1)These coins are AU because I carry them around in flips and touch them with hands. To show as examples and keep on hand.
2)most, if not all, have a white stain on them. it's a white residue that looks like a liquid ran across them. on the uncirculated coins.
3)scratches are just because these came from the end of the roll.
4)These are the best photos I can do for right now. real camera and coins not here.

 

So die deterioration is a thing now?

 

1) You do realize that there are many coins in circulation that would grade "uncirculated", right? It doesn't matter where a coin has been or if it has been touched. When/if submitted the graders don't know this, and neither does anyone else unfamiliar with a coin's history. All that matters is the evidence provided by the coin when examining it. Touching and/or carrying around in flips does not automatically make a coin AU.

3) The coin was clearly "bitten" by the rolling machine and is therefore damaged. One cannot simply dismiss such things because the coin happened to come that way. A scratch is a scratch and damage is damage.

 

@AWORDCREATED You have another example I could see. I've been looking for one. others i see seem to have rims.

we have our answer and i feel this thread is done. thanks

I've decided to ignore BooksB4Coins and will not be viewing their comments as they are not helping the topic in any form. I am sorry for wiggling your stick.

 

Well watch my beer and hold this! Every time I threw up a coin like this here it came back deteriorated. I have discarded so many valuable coins

 

Thanks for the photo proof.

 

Do we have anything remotely close to an answer on the original question yet, by chance?

 

The voting system is really the answer to the question. Was there another question you would like an answer too? I'm willing to do what I can, just let me know!

AWORDCREATED Should tell Mike Diamond his opinion about the coin. tell him his page article is shrubbery.

 

Robert, I can understand your excitement and enthusiasm, and I have the utmost respect for Mike Diamond's explanation, but I do consider it is mainly die deterioration, and pricing and importance is due to the extent of such, but I personally do not think it is a totally different process of what is usually called just "deterioration". Perhaps the die metal was substandard alloying and exacerbated the condition, but I do not feel that could be validated. It is interesting, but wouldn't be for me.

 

it has been validate as my profile picture shows. A graded 'Design Creep' coin.
@desertgem Can you supply a photo of something similar to what I have, WITHOUT a rim as well. I hear lots of people saying they have seen this in other coins, yet, I have never seen this photo they speak of. Do you have one I may please see?

 

No, I do not. TPG companies are known for such labeling, but they do not give a definition for such. Like First strike and "Spike in the head". Other than extent, how is your coin different than just extreme die deterioration? You are the one pushing it, so how do you define the term and how is it different?

 

And when all is said and done maybe Robert hoped to coin a new error called "design creep". I'm only a few months in, studying my nuts off and I can't see that as a viable idea via this coin or any other. But maybe I don't see so straight. I have the luxury of NOT knowing who Mr. Diamond is, so if he is actually someone important, I don't mind calling him out to fully explain design creep on this forum.

 

Just search my old thread starts, plenty of proof there. Late die stage makes some strange looking coins for sure. Neat to collect.