RARE German States 1754 Christian IV Thaler w/ counterstamps?

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  1. coin0709

    coin0709 CT Supporter

    I had this one come into the shop today. It looked ‘good’ but the two reverse counterstamps (1000) (1977) scared me away from offering a hefty sum of money. Did I make a big mistake? It tested as silver. Had beautiful original toning and would have graded AU58 or low MS.
    https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces175729.html
    Hits 100 on rarity index if real but the only 2 images I can find online of them (NGC and Numista), both do not have the counterstamps.
    Thoughts? Insights?
     

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  3. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    I don't think they are counterstamps, but instead they are markers of silver fineness and date of manufacturing.
     
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  4. coin0709

    coin0709 CT Supporter

    Thanks, however it was not .9999 (i.e. 1000) Pure. More in the .925 range.
     
  5. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    There is a lot of Germany silver bullion marked 1000.
    I can not scrutinize your method of testing or results.
    Maybe it is a counterfeit of a copy.
     
  6. coin0709

    coin0709 CT Supporter

    Thanks. I used my Sigma Metalytics and it does not have a .875 (most 18th century German?) setting. The coin definitely looked good in every way except the inconsistent stamp. Maybe it will come back in some day…..
     
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  8. Matthew Kruse

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  9. coin0709

    coin0709 CT Supporter

    Nothing. Passed on it but was regretting at first.
     
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  10. Kentucky

    Kentucky Well-Known Member

  11. coin0709

    coin0709 CT Supporter

    Right, but same 1000 and 1977 stamps
     
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  12. Kentucky

    Kentucky Well-Known Member

    Didn't Doug @GDJMSP collect this stuff?
     
  13. FredJB

    FredJB Well-Known Member

    Genuine reproduction and honestly marked as such. There were lots of different types like these struck all over Germany for fund raising causes. My fav. is the "1786" Frederick the Great thaler. Most were originally sold by banks that had a local interest in the coin that was restruck.
     
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  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Nope, not like that at least.

    I did collect various coins, gold mostly, some silver,, and even some copper, from the various countries of Europe from the 1300's through the early 20th century.
     
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  15. Chris B

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    They made of bunch of re-strikes in the 70's and 80's. I have collected some of the ones I like. Some are very collectible but normally are valued less than the originals.

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  16. serdogthehound

    serdogthehound Well-Known Member

    It looks like someone mucked about with to try and pass as the real deal
     
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