He said "most places." As in, if you're looking at a 100+ year old silver coin, and it's "blast white," that means it's been dipped sometime.
I hate coins that are mislabeled. And bs graded. Gem bu when it's a cleaned xf. And so many coins people make out to sound wonderful and their really awful. How many times have I heard blazing luster when it's been dipped to death. I like my coins Like I like my women natural original and beautiful unaltered and in their original skin.
A well loved member of another forum who is no longer with us hated the word slabbed and the whole concept of needing someone else to grade a coin for you. He coined the term "slobbed"
When someone has a certified (see what I did there?) coin for sale on eBay and then claims it's "PL all day" even though the certifier did not agree and it is not reflected on the label.
Yes I have many times. IMO, getting a PL or DPL designation is much different than a point or two difference on the current grading scale.
Perhaps it's just one of those days for me, but something is not clicking for some reason. PCGS doesn't designate PL on coins NGC will, so there must be instances where the claim could technically be valid. This, of course, doesn't excuse the schmuckery that I assume was your point though.
No worries. I wasn't really sure what you were after. Here's a link indicating PCGS will designate PL on Morgans (which I'm sure you already know). http://www.pcgs.com/grades. I wasn't aware that PCGS did not offer the PL designation on non-Morgans, so now your response makes much more sense to me. When reading the thread, I was trying to think of what truly are my pet peeves in the hobby. I tend to be very easy going. There are a few things in the hobby that bother me, but in the big scheme of things they really are not that important in my eyes. However, I was recently looking at some Morgan's and this seller was indeed giving it the ole "PL" try on a PCGS certified Morgan. So that's what popped in my head. I should have provided more detail. In short, it's seller schmuckery (like that word BTW) of any kind that bothers me. I've noticed from reading your posts that you are very perceptive. This was just another example where you really knew what I was after with my original short post and through your questions were able to get it more crystalized in my mind. Also a thanks to you for teaching me about the PL designation @ PCGS!
The term does describe a particular surface exactly. I wish it would make a come back. Semi's are nice but I can understand that some folks prefer frosty mint-white.
The lawyers have made several TPGS's use this term. In the old days coins were counterfeit. Now they are Questionable Authenticity. Think this one out...Many 100% original coins are still preserved as "Blast White." A majority of the are CC Morgan dollars. Barber coins in general are unattractive to me; yet when they are "Blast White" and 100% original they take your breath away...especially the Halves. Key is to know what a true "Blast White" coin looks like and what a dipped coin looks like. In almost fifty years, I have NEVER seen an Over-Dipped coin that was "Blast White" to any experienced (key word here) numismatist. I just learned about this a few minutes ago on a phone call from a dealer who had a PL $10 Liberty back with full mirrors that was not labeled as such! How stupid. They are losing money. More business for the other three. I've even seen medals/tokens, and CA Fractional gold graded PL by ICG.