1921 Peace Dollar grading

UQUOTE="SuperDave, post: 2329437, member: 1892"]You don't understand much about metal flow, do you?[/QUOTE]

Please You are breaking us up over here in the TOOL & DIE SHOP!

 

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Please You are breaking us up over here in the TOOL & DIE SHOP![/QUOTE]

Couldn't matter less. None of your BS passes an elementary application of common sense, and you apparently have no clue what a fool you're making of yourself. So be it; you're doing me a service and I remain appreciative.

 

DITTO...And no matter what...I love you and like/appreciate the back and forth.

Take a look again at the $3 I posted. Do you see a BIG difference between the random hairlines on the OP 1921 coin and the gold coin?

Yes, and that will cause virtually parallel grooves to appear on the strip and then on the planchet and then PERHAPS on to the coin if conditions are "right" and they are not obliterated.

You are 100% correct. There are NO striations on the OP 1921 $1.

I do not see circular hairlines on the coin. Are you referring to the way some slightly curve? IMO, there was never any "grit" buildup on this coin.

Yes, that is what grading is all about.

When a dealer calls an IMO, WHAT APPEARS TO BE IN THE PHOTO a perfectly naturally circulated coin "harshly cleaned," IMO, he is not in step with the coin market. IMO, the OP dollar will be straight graded by most "big time" experienced dealers, auction houses, and TPGS's. Just my opinion.

I agree totally with what a light cleaning would be in your quote above.

NO disrespect taken at all! You have been a perfect poster!

And I agree 100%. What the coin looks like will affect both the buyer and the seller.

I agree. The dealers and collectors who specialize in them have it much easier and THEY help set the standards (?) in the marketplace.

 

You_do_realize that's at odds with what you're saying about your gold coin, right?

Successful trolling requires consistency.

 

Someone is confused and it ain't me... A Successful reply requires correct info. The gold dollar that is 100% original the way it was struck except for a very tiny amount of luster loss on the relief HAS Mint Made planchet striations and a die clash. On this coin, circumstances during its manufacture caused MINT MADE defects to lowe its eye appeal.

If you have a coin shop, Please give us your location so everyone can "pick the cherries" that must be all over your cases!

 

You're not actually listening to yourself, are you?

 

Nope...paying attention to you at the moment and eating a hot dog (2) for lunch. Wish I brought some beans and chips!

 

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The adjective of Harshly Cleaned is just the Adjective I would use as I think this have been intentionally done with little concern of the history of this coin. Cleaned would imply to me as some had soaked this coin in some form of detergent and lightly cleaned removing some or most the coin's life or character but not rubbing. (That's my Opinion and am sure some will disagree.)
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When a dealer calls an IMO, WHAT APPEARS TO BE IN THE PHOTO a perfectly naturally circulated coin "harshly cleaned," IMO, he is not in step with the coin market. IMO, the OP dollar will be straight graded by most "big time" experienced dealers, auction houses, and TPGS's. Just my opinion.

I agree totally with what a light cleaning would be in your quote above.

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If you are saying there is not any evidence of grit on this coin pls tell me what in the world is the black/dark gray material is on the obverse in front to liberty face under and around the neck in the lower hair and back of liberty head .. Sorry I see that as evidence of grim/grit.

 

@Insider -> How do think this Graded Coin will grade? Is it between than the one that started this tread?

 

Or are those original Planchet Scratches?

 

I think I see a tiny dark spot under the neck. If the HARSHE cleaning didn't get it it may be tarnish... "Grit" implies raised dirt on the surface. Get out your scope and let me know. Anyway, IMO, STILL not harshly cleaned.

 

Ok, but does this have a pre strike Planchet Scratch? in your opinion if so why do you say that?

 

wife is calling bbl .. supper calling

 

I grade this one AU, usual strike. Definite wear. NGC better say AU-53 or me have

Most of its luster but dull (gray) and NOT 100% original BLAST WHITE (see post #41 coin), no serious marks, light random hairlines. How did I do?

 

No planchet striations on this dollar. You need to Google "Planchet Striations."

 

I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

Ok @Insider I hope my wife gets out to the kitchen so I can make a good Humble Pie.. Lights have finally turned on ... Hope I can articular to others my "Mistakes". First keywords to trigger action. Magnification ==> get scope out and Scratches
@Insider Question What happens to the marks when the planchet is struck? Making me think "There must be Pre-Strike Scratches" from something.
@Insider -->You need to Google "Planchet Striations." Thought I had but this time -->
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Appreciation goes to the @pr69 for his high definition photo of the coin. This allowed me to get better magnification of this coin and now showed Parallel Lines ... I had questioned this when @pr69 first mentioned it I should have attempted to increase magnification. By not getting an enlarged image this coin looked as though there were circular marks scratching the coin. Thus Harshly Cleaned Remark. Point it through magnification I seen two lines One a Striation Two Other Random Lines that gave this photo the look as Circular Scratches.

Light was starting to glow but then read the post by
zeewool


Thanks for posting the most excellent photos Dave. Limited by the illusions often displayed by online photos, this is my interpretation of them:

The grainy radial texture around the denticles cause me to think that this was a worn die.

The 'striation' lines look exactly as I had imagined that they might. Parallel and deeper in the devices than the field due to the fact that solids do not actually 'flow'.

The stars and denticles appear to be flat to nearly non-existent in places indicating to me that the strike was not brought up, giving it a post strike damaged appearance.

LIGHT is NOW Fully Lite.

MORAL as most Collectors should realize "Do not use too much Magnification 5x Recommended 10x at most" Here is a good case to look at image with enough magnification to be sure marks are not distorted. Otherwise results can be in error.

 

Now for the rest of the story Credit for these photos go to Heritage Auctions.