die clash?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Sheila Ruley, Jan 17, 2016.

  1. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Could also be a Die Scrape in the bay..
    I want to share this webpage with you - http://www.error-ref.com/die-scrapes/
     
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  3. paddyman98

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  4. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    CPM, Please take a Memorial cent out and look at it. You called it...Lincoln's back. Have you ever seen multi "offset" clashes on a coin? Perhaps, Morgandude can tell you what they look like as I am in the doghouse with everyone just for assuming too much about the posters here.
     
  5. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Dunno; there are many double clashes on Morgans which have the appearance of being parallel, even though they are not if you measure accurately enough. Having seen enough of that on Morgans, it's plausible on a Cent to me. Doesn't mean I'm right, of course. :)
     
  6. Insider

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    THANK YOU SuperDave!
    Chris, Think it out again. A clash can appear both raised and incuse on a coin. When you can explain how that can happen , simply in a few words for Sheila, you both will get it.

    If not, I'll explain it so the "haters" can tune out :)
     
  7. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    You are 100% correct. Has anyone posting here taken any seminars or read anything about the minting process or errors? Sheila. Join the ANA and get the courses or you will really be confused!
     
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  8. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Yes, I know what an offset clash is. Are you familiar with the 1882-CC VAM3-C. I'm sure that Dave is. Have you ever seen the same clash raise the area of the planchet between both clashes?

    What the hell do you think caused the sloping lines if it wasn't Lincoln's back? Maybe if you stopped lording over everyone and assuming that you know everything, others might let you out of the doghouse. This is the 3rd thread today where you've had your nose stuck up in the clouds.

    Chris
     
  9. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    Very True.:)
     
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  10. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Great example of the specific point I made. We know they're not parallel clashes - it's not possible - but they sure look that way. :)
     
  11. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Okay, let Mr. Know-It-All explain to you how the line of a clash can occur, then an offset clash occur parallel to the first clash and leave the space between them recessed so that the resultant strike on the next planchet will be raised.

    Chris
     
  12. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    More importantly, the space between them on the VAM-3C is not raised! I should know because I found the second one known in 2005. How does Mr. Know-It-All explain that?

    Chris
     
  13. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I'm not typing this for you.

    A line clash is not a line, it's an edge and just the beginning of the clash. There's the line formed by the junction of device and field, PLUS some undefined portion of the device itself. The line will become incuse on the struck die, therefore a positive on the struck coin. Depending on the severity of the clash, some of the device (as much of the device as is at the same depth as how far the edge penetrated) will also be impressed - incuse - but everything else will remain at field level. A counterclash is the only scenario I could envision resulting in an incuse clashing artifact on a struck coin.
     
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  14. Insider

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    Good God...It is Lincoln's back. You must be confusing me with another poster. This is so frustrating. Do I need to go back and post all the nonsense given for a simple die clash. Did you bother to read this?

     
  15. Insider

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    Mr. know it all needs to look up VAM-3C before commenting.
     
  16. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Dave, I didn't say a "line clash". I said "the line of a clash".

    The hell with it. I'm done with everything!

    Chris
     
  17. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    You need to be, if you read that as an attack.
     
  18. cpm9ball

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    Don't be so damn condescending!

    Chris
     
  19. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    I'm not a "Know-It-All" but I do know someone who is.
     
  20. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    You need to do something. All you seem to be doing is ticking folks off in every thread you post in. Why do you think that keeps happening?
     
  21. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    That's a bunch. Thank you for being a good mother.
     
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