die clash?

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  1. Sheila Ruley

    Sheila Ruley The short blonde girl

    20160117_193509_HDR.jpg Is this a die clash? If not, what use is it?
     
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  3. coinzip

    coinzip Well-Known Member

    I really can not say for sure from the photo, but possibly die polishing lines.
     
  4. ken454

    ken454 Well-Known Member

    they could be, a close up of the entire reverse would be helpful
     
  5. Sheila Ruley

    Sheila Ruley The short blonde girl

    The big line going diagonal?
     
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  6. coinzip

    coinzip Well-Known Member

    the small lines, parallel to the base of the monument, if they are raised they are probably die polish lines.

    A lot of times they would try to polish out a clash if they notice it.
     
  7. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    What are we looking at? I can't even tell if its reeds or licoln colums or what. We need full pics for context ;)
     
  8. ken454

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  9. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Looks like medium strong clash of the back of Lincoln's coat.
     
  10. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Take your coin an turn it to see the upside down design on the obverse where the clash is. Hope that made sense.
     
  11. Sheila Ruley

    Sheila Ruley The short blonde girl

    20160117_200122-1.jpg This is the best picture I can get.
     
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  12. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    @Sheila Ruley

    I don't think that is a clash. In that general area, it would have to be Lincoln's (sloping) back, but it would be represented by a single line, not a thick mark like that. If it was a die gouge, the mark would be raised. If it was a strikethrough, the mark would be recessed. So, can you tell us if it is raised or recessed?

    Chris
     
  13. Sheila Ruley

    Sheila Ruley The short blonde girl

    It looks raised.
     
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  14. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I'm thinking a double clash, as in ken454's coin. Clashes frequently break the die loose of its' moorings so the first clash rotates the die slightly before the second clash. And that's a bear of a spot to polish clashing artifacts away.

    I believe not all single clashes clashes are "single." If you're the press operator and hear a die clash, you have roughly 4 tenths of a second to prevent a second hit. The only difference, to me, between single and multiple clashes is whether the die broke loose or not, and whether the next planchet fed properly. Not all problems which cause failure to feed a planchet resolve after only one miss, and don't forget this is all happening 150 times a minute.
     
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  15. coinzip

    coinzip Well-Known Member

    I love the fact that your looking at coins & asking questions, and for the most part everyone is responding in a positive way.

    Too many times we see posts from someone trying to learn that go south quick.

    Keep up the good work .. :)
     
  16. Sheila Ruley

    Sheila Ruley The short blonde girl

    Wow, that's a lot!
     
  17. Sheila Ruley

    Sheila Ruley The short blonde girl

    Thank you. I really want to learn about this. I have nothing else to do between taking care of my kids, so it has become a hobby.
     
  18. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Let's assume that the die did rotate before a second clash. If that were the case, then it shouldn't be parallel to the first clash. Wouldn't you agree?

    Also, Sheila just posted that it appears to be raised. If that is the case, then it can't be a clash. When a clash occurs, the field presses the field of the opposing die down which raises the area of the device. So, when the next planchet is struck, that area of the device is recessed, not raised.

    Chris
     
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  19. Sheila Ruley

    Sheila Ruley The short blonde girl

    Very interesting.
     
  20. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Alan, it may be because @Sheila Ruley is a pretty good politician.

    Chris
     
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  21. Sheila Ruley

    Sheila Ruley The short blonde girl

    I may be, lol! I am a Leo!
     
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