Generation1 PCGS Holder. Whats the premium?

I know there is no concrete number. Just ballpark what you think the difference would be in this was a brand new pcgs vs this 1st generation holder. Thanks!

 

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I was hoping it was a DDO but I didnt get that lucky

 

These are at the point where educated collectors take a close look at the coin before adding a premium. So many have been cracked for that elusive upgrade that few remain, and the ones that do are mostly dogs. Obviously there are still many which haven't seen the light of market, but you have to assume it's been in commerce.

That said, there are those who would want it simply because of that slab's increasing rarity, and that'll balance it out some.

This one is, frankly, kind of homely and apparently fingerprinted at the top of the obverse. Likely worth quite a bit more in the old slab than a new one with the same grade, because it's not bringing 65 money on that eye appeal.

 

Thanks for the response. Yeah, obviously its not a blast white but I definitely haven't seen very many of these around. Was just one of the coins in a graded lot from a private seller I picked up. Has a 4th Gen NGC Franklin ms65 in it too. My earliest NGC.

 

You might get a small premium over the amount the coin itself would sell for simply because it is such an old holder, but I wouldn't be looking for moon money. The coin itself doesn't have good eye appeal, and looks kind of blah. This has nothing to do with it not being "blast white." I love toners, but this one leaves me cold.

 

Are we certain the quarter inside it has not been swapped out? It sure looks ugly and from the photo's circulated. Plus the top of the holder looks like the plastic has been broken.

 

No and No. I know we are all skeptical of the older holders but I feel like everyone online is so quick question authenticity. That's just not the case here. If that was the case you could get a white MS for like $5 and just stick that and try to pass it off. Why would you stick one with that kind of toning it? Just doesn't make sense.

 

I agree. Like you can see from my profile picture, I buy and sell the premium toners often. I knew people would take the unappetizing toning into consideration as well. Thanks for the response.

 

I don't believe that your avatar coin has natural toning.

To your original question, I wouldn't give the holder a premium a modern because I just see it as a high end example of the grade. Others may give a bit extra because the old holders are just cool.

 

Profile coin 1885 o PCGS ms63.

 

There are plenty of artificially toned coins in PCGS and NGC holders. There are even ways to artificially tone a coin while inside of the holders after they have been graded. I'm not saying that it isn't a pretty coin, just doesn't look natural to me.

 

Plenty of ways right? Then why aren't all of them that way?. Too far down the rabbit hole sir. Come back. It got passed a PCGS grader who gets PAID to grade coins.
....I'll go with PCGS's opinion.

 

The holder may have a value, but the coin is unattractive, unless the picture is not accurate

 

....I'll go with my thirty five years of collecting, buying, selling, trading and studying experience. Grading is completely subjective and this is just my option.

 

The OP's coin itself is rather inexpensive ($5 or $10, maybe), but the premium for the holder, if you find the right collector is much higher. Put it in an auction and describe the holder - you might be surprised what it'll fetch.

 

I'm a big believer in "buy the coin, not the slab". I don't pay any kind of premium for the older holders, except when I'm on the fence about the grade they assign.

IE; I might pay MS63 money for a coin in an older slab labeled MS62 that seems undergraded (at least compared to the same coin sitting in a newer MS64 slab).

 

It's artificial. Natural toning - under the conditions normally accepted as "natural" in numismatics - does not propagate in such blotchy patterns. I don't care what PCGS thinks - I've looked at a couple Morgans in my time, too - I wouldn't ever call your avatar NT.

That doesn't mean somebody did it deliberately, just that it isn't one I would personally adjudicate as "natural."

 

You could be correct here, but I remember that 1960 nickel recently posted with the question of whether or not it was a proof, and you said it was just a nice looking MS, but the person said she later took it to a dealer who claimed it was a proof.

 

No. The pic is accurate. It is not very attractive at all. lol.

 

I think it is the right grade. I was just curious about the holder premium.