1911-D $5 Half Eagle?

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  1. imrich

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  3. Yankee42

    Yankee42 Well-Known Member

    So is it an S or a D? Pics are blurry.
     
  4. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    What's the "error," if I may ask? The idea it's a true Denver coin in a San Francisco slab? It's definitely an expensive error if so - the coin went well below its' worth, and looks undergraded at 50. :)
     
  5. imrich

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    I don't know that it's an error, and only my personal examination would ascertain the truth. If it's as titled in the auction, it parallels others in my collection, which usually are believed appreciably "overgraded/mis-labeled".

    JMHO
     
  6. Yankee42

    Yankee42 Well-Known Member

    Would have been nice if the seller provided halfway decent pics for a 4 figure coin. Now we'll never know.
     
  7. imrich

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    This is a series that often is found with "mint-marks" requiring intensive observation/scrutiny to adjudge.

    JMHO
     
  8. Yankee42

    Yankee42 Well-Known Member

    Originally I thought that maybe you had some other clue that you saw such as a die characteristic. I do own a 2 1/2 and I am aware that sometimes the mint Mark is quite faint.
     
  9. imrich

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    Here's a TPG certified specimen of a 1911-S $5 Indian in approximately the same condition. If you examine the S shape, I believe you'll understand the mint uncertainty.

    JMHO

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1911-S-Indi...049150?hash=item20f87f59fe:g:KbsAAOSwstxU~zMH
     
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  10. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    I believe it is probably an S. Way overpaid for it.
     
  11. Dancing Fire

    Dancing Fire Junior Member

    Yup!
     
  12. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I'm still wondering where the error is ? Also with the bad pics , I'll assume PCGS got the D right as I can't see it well enough to tell .
     
  13. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    PCGS said it was a S, the seller said D. My guess is it is an S, and the buyer will not be happy.
     
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  14. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    My bad then , thanks for the heads up .
     
  15. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    Thanks for the clarification. Lousy pictures by the seller. IMO, if the seller contends an error, he should show a close-up of the area in question. Oh well, it is what it is.
     
  16. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    it could have just been a typo (the D in the header) and the buyers/bidders did not read the label on the holder
     
  17. imrich

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    If you view the "Reverse" of the two coins in the links I previously posted, I believe you'll understand the confusion. The "S" of that year had a virtually straight top portion, and often the upper Serif is the only portion remaining to allow identification of the mint mark on this type coin which has the mark struck seemingly too near the edge. The mint mark shown didn't have that straight top or Serif, but appeared to be a rounded letter on the right side, as viewed.

    The original listing had a blow-up of ~1000% where the mint-mark could be reasonably examined to view what the seller believed was a mistake on the slab label. I, as an appreciable collector of this coin type, concurred.

    I tried to copy the reverse as much as could be without complete distortion, but this site software wouldn't allow an edited image post, so it was posted separately afore-hand

    It may allow some clarity for those who have familiarity with this coin type.

    JMHO
     
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  18. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    No, I am referring to his listing vs the label.

    He could have simply made a typo
     
  19. imrich

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    1911DrHE.jpg

    This is an ~5% cut from the original reverse slab post in the auction.
     
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  20. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    Still looks like an S to me (and to pcgs)
     
  21. imrich

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    Here is a more defined 1911S reverse. Please note the serif projection above the S character top, and that the character has 2 indents with a virtually straight top to a relatively squared character. Without the coin in hand it's just a subject for unsolvable conjecture. I've a large collection of the 2 top tier TPG slabs that without discussion defy the argument of multiple examiners prior to shipment. This appeared as another candidate for my collection, but only a contact with the buyer will ascertain.

    JMHO

    1911 SrHE.jpg
     
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