1921 D Morgan ?

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  1. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

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  3. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Die cracks nothing of value.
     
  4. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    By the way thank you for your quote. Sir would you like to rephrase the last part of you quote?
     
  5. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Agreed, on the die cracks. No real added value to the coin if you were trying to sell it, but I'd say added cool value.

    I think you might benefit from reading through this website: http://www.error-ref.com/
     
  6. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    No as die cracks don't add value such as an error would. It's just a die that's near it life's end. Now if you had a coin that broke along that crack and the two pieces went together as a puzzle then you may have something .
    If die cracks were worth any premium I be knee deep in cotton.
     
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  7. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    Finding 1921 morgans without a single die crack is the real challenge. Heck, vamworld has crack attribution guides for 21's which should tell you just how prevalent they are :)
     
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  8. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Those could be used as markers for a vam, heres the link to vam world .
    http://www.vamworld.com/1921-D VAMs

    When your done checking the site for which vam it might be, then take some images and ask your questions ..
     
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  9. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    @usmc60

    These big cartwheels were struck with 130+ tons of pressure, so die failures were very common. I don't think you will find a single year that didn't have die cracks.

    Chris
     
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  10. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Sir thank you for your advice. You seem to have missed i was trying to say, some collectors collect coins instead of bars, the coin is actually worth what the price of silver is on a given day. And personally I think a coin looks a lot better than a bar. Why would you say someone's coin is worthless, that's not nice and that's not the truth.
     
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  11. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I don't think he said that it was worthless. He said there was no added value. Yes, it is worth at least melt value, and the Morgan contains .77344 oz. of silver. It could be worth more based on its condition, but we can't make that decision without seeing photos of both sides of the whole coin.

    By the way, die cracks do not reduce the value even if the coin is brilliant uncirculated.

    Chris
     
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  12. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Thank you for your quote. Sir I agree with you on all of the parts except four added value. The way you phrased it is excellent, sir but the gentleman does say nothing of value, sir all I'm saying is that's an incorrect statement. I just think of it as that if I was new in coin collecting that someone told me a coin I bought was worthless, I would not have too much incentive to keep collecting, encourage them to keep collecting, but do a little more research before any purchase.
     
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  13. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Sir thank you for your quote. Having gone through hundreds of Morgan dollars under microscope 40x I was lucky if I found one die cracked one in 50. Maybe i spent too many hours on the microscope you're correct they are a lot of them out there.
     
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  14. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    You have been extraordinarily lucky with your Morgans if you only find one in 50 to show die cracks. :)
     
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  15. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    I think you might've misunderstood my statement and that's probably my fault. Your coin has plenty of value in both silver and its numismatic value. What I was saying was that the die cracks on your coin do not add any MORE value to the value it already has. I hope that clears it up.
     
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  16. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    You're using too much magnification. At 40x a die crack will look like the rocky mountains while flying 20ft above them.
     
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  17. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    First, you need not call me "Sir", I was enlisted.;);)

    I started collecting Morgan dollars in 1957, and I've studied tens of thousands of them. I wasn't exaggerating when I said that you can find die cracks in every year.

    FWIW, I use a stereomicroscope, too, but it is mainly for taking close-up photos to post. If I can't see an error or variety at 10x or less, then it really isn't significant but that's just my opinion.

    Chris

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  18. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

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  19. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Die gouges on a 78CC........look it up!

    Chris
     
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  20. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Chris I only say Sir out of respect I understand where you coming from (simplify)
     
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  21. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Clarification. I used 10 power to examine the coin, then when I see something that's not normal I'd then we'll jump up to 40 power for a better look, and as far as the photos they're taking by a 2 magnum pixel endoscope camera which believe I'm not totally happy with. But at this time I cannot afford to upgrade to a lot nicer coin camera. I can only hope in the future that I will be able to afford one.
     
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