If You Owned A Fake.........

I have a few coins that I wonder about their pedigree and ANACS has a great special going on right now, they will do 5 coins for $75. and that includes the shipping back to you. At that price it's well worth removing any doubt about authenticity

 

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The only reason I would send one in. If it came back genuine, or graded in a slab, I would bust it out. But if it were to come back as counterfeit, I would want it in a sealed slab. Weird, maybe, but I had rather have raw coins, but if it's not authentic, I would rather it be identifiable as such by anyone who may end up with it when I'm gone.

 

I have a fake Morgan given to me by my former employer ( he was going to throw it in the trash ) I also have a fake $20 note I found in a gas station trash can I keep these as curiosities with the notation on the holders that they are counterfeit

 

IF I had a fake??

And if you want to send your fakes in to someone send them to ICG they will slab fakes as fakes for educational purposes and they come back in slabs marked as being counterfeit.

 

Would you happen to know how much they charge for this service.

However, if I know a coin is a fake I won't waste time and money on it. It's only the coins that are "head scratchers", so close that you want to make sure, one way or the other.

 

Here you go: http://www.icgcoin.com/fees-services/

They're pretty reasonable.

 

I would own the fake as exactly that--I own one fake, Chinese Peace Dollar. It is a very obvious one, and that is why I bought it for $20 for fun. It will never be sold, nor sent to any TPG--it is purely for my own amusement.

 

I did send a questionable coin in to ANACS decades ago when I was young, and they returned it with the opinion that it was not genuine. Looking at the coin now, it's an obvious counterfeit. Oddly enough I can't part with it for sentimental reasons, as it was among a group of coins I inherited from my grandfather when he passed away. He was a retail merchant when he was younger in my hometown, and I often wondered if he got it in change from a customer, or how he ended up owning it.

I also keep it because it is probably a slightly collectable counterfeit, as it is an 1872-CC dime. There is a great website on Liberty Seated Dime counterfeits and a doppelganger image of my dime appears there:

http://www.seateddimevarieties.com/cf_date/cf_date_mintmark.htm

 

I own just one fake that was given to me many years ago by my Grandmother. She turned this one up in her garden plot back in the early sixties in upstate NY. The weight is 8.5 grams and the diameter is correct and it is not copper. I was told several years ago that it appeared to be a match for N5.

 

Do you guys think this one might slip through the cracks?

 

Too bad about the rim ding.

 

Depends on how big the crack is you're trying to put it in.

 

I actually buy contemporary counterfeits. The large cent is interesting. I had a similar 1837 dated one recently.

 

What's your knowledge or even theory on contemporary cast large cents?

 

Like 19Lyds, I own 3 fakes, all are labeled as such. None were obtained as anything other than a fake. I use them to educate people. I would never submit them for grading.

 

I take a hard line on fakes. You might attribute it correctly. What happens when the coin leaves your collection? You will never sell it, you say? Are you sure that you are going to live forever (on Earth)? In other words, these fake Trade Dollars and all the rest do live forever -- usually... But not in my collection.


This was my avatar for several years.

 

I can give you some related theory on

There are some who collect contemporary period fakes from back in that era.
I collect "Kingdom of the Two Sicilies" 120 Grana silver Crowns that cirulated in Naples and Sicily from 1735-1859.

And you see many of these genuine Crowns will have heavy scratches on the reverse and they are called "adjustment marks" used by merchants back in that era to check if they were a real coin and not silver plated bronze fakes. Similar to the way the Chinese used chop marks on Trade Dollars. Some of these Sicilian made period fakes were well made and some people collect and display them with their real coins for comparison.

 

I had this for years then I decided to send it in. I was shocked I tell you just shocked
NOTE: I put it in the slab

 

So would you recommend doing that to say Machins Mills coppers? A Vermont Ryder 5 copper? Other contemporary counterfeits?

 

I have a small collection of things like this that came to me over the years. My favorite is a contemporary 3 cent silver. Stuff like this should be saved for the history behind them. In many cases a contemporary counterfeit can be worth as much or more than the real coin.
I don't know what the right thing to do with all the modern fakes we see today but I have no use for them. They might be good for making toilet seats.