12 Caesar Collection for Sale....

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  1. 4to2centBC

    4to2centBC Well-Known Member

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  3. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Now, here's a question...should all 12 sell as a group for the combined "expected" price, more than that or less than that?
     
  4. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Some beautiful coins. I like the Augustus & Titus best.

    Im sure a few will go for alot of $ then the estimate.
     
  5. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

  6. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Very nice set, but it's honestly not for me. There's a lot of better things I could do with that kind of money. However, the numismatist side of me will be slightly jealous at the person who gets that set.

    JA, can you buy this set and share the pictures with us in the forum so we can live vicariously through you?
     
  7. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    It definitely is a GORGEOUS set of coins...and I think virtually ALL of those estimates will be exceeded to some degree.
     
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  8. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    I bet you that the person who originally bought this set probably did so in the fifties or sixties for the equivalent of $1,200 or $1,300 in today's money. With today's global auctions you're almost guaranteed that there will be a bidder in some corner of the world willing to pay a massive amount of money for just about anything.
     
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  9. brassnautilus

    brassnautilus Well-Known Member

    there's a gordian I sestertius for budget...

    btw I got a pertinax from today's eauction cheap, sometimes there're bargains on CNG, not always finished high prices. 15% fee is also much milder than the 21% of printed auctions.
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  10. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Beautiful coins. I love the JC and the Vitellius.
     
  11. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Odd that the 'set' is being sold individually. Perhaps the coins will bring a higher price that way. Good luck to anyone attempting to capture all of them!
     
  12. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I don't find it the least bit odd that the set is being sold separately. It stands a better chance of realizing higher hammer prices that way.
     
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  13. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Plus, most collectors would rather pick individual coins for their 12 Caesars collection.

    Per the auction listing, the pedigree is as follows:

    From the collection of an English Gentleman, purchased from David Miller, 2000

    Edited to add that while all of the coins were most recently in the collection of an "English Gentleman", the individual coins were purchased from assorted sources.
     
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  14. IdesOfMarch01

    IdesOfMarch01 Well-Known Member

    This set appears to have been chosen on the basis of the obverse portraits, which to my eye appear to be above-average style compared to most 12 Caesars denarii of similar condition (VF to good VF).

    In particular, the Julius Caesar coin is a fairly good style -- there are a lot of these denarii where the the portrait is a lot less artistically rendered. I also like the Caligula and Claudius for their portraits and (in the case of Claudius) the historically significant reverse.
     
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  15. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    This set makes mine look like it came from the wrong side of the tracks. Sore real beauties to my eyes.
     
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  16. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    :joyful:

    Well at least you have silver Caligula and Claudius Denarii. :)
     
  17. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Yes I do, but I paid dearly.
     
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  18. brassnautilus

    brassnautilus Well-Known Member

    sry for the crappy "photo". forgot my phone at work so I used the scanner lol.
    Apparently I need one of those with longer focal range...
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  19. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    It looks like he went for more challenging types, too. The Judaea Capta type wasn't necessary for Vespasian.
     
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  20. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    It appears most of these coins have actually been purchased by the current consignor in the past couple of decades. They may have older pedigrees, but there are published ones from much more recently.
     
  21. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    There's a pretty nice selection of Republicans in this electronic auction too. One coin in particular is quite scarce and of great historical significance. It was minted right at/after Caesars death approximately April/May 44 BC. The obverse of the issue was shortly replaced with a portrait of Antony, his first appearance on a coin, as he was jockeying for position as Caesar's heir. This coin never comes perfectly struck and this one is pretty darn good for the issue.


    The Caesarians. Julius Caesar. April-May 44 BC. AR Denarius (17mm, 3.85 g, 11h). Rome mint; P. Sepullius Macer, moneyer. Struck under Mark Antony. Tetrastyle temple with globe in pediment / Desultor (horseman who leaps from one horse to another), wearing conical cap and holding whip, right on horseback, second horse behind; palm frond and wreath to left. Crawford 480/21; Alföldi Type XXII, 41–5 (A1/R1); CRI 110; Sydenham 1076; RSC 44; RBW 1688. VF, toned, a couple bankers marks.

    http://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=303422

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