Emperors of the Roman East: Adventures in Byzantium-land

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  1. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    An anonymous donor was gracious enough to send me two Byzantine bronzes. I am very grateful as I've yet not had the time to focus on the Roman Empire after 476 CE. Yeah, the Roman Empire survived another thousand years...despite what those academics would have you believe (so what if it was the eastern half, it was still the Roman Empire).

    Anyway, here is Manuel I, with Saint George on the Obverse.
    Manuel I.jpg

    Next is Anastasius. This coin is incredibly tiny. Easily less than 45% the size of a US dime. I still can't make heads or tails of this coin, so I hope I got the orientation right.

    Anastasius.jpg
     
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  3. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    Here is what the reverse of your Anastasius should look like if oriented correctly:
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  4. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    My Anas monogram:

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  5. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Thanks, this helps me visualize orientation a bit better.
     
  6. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Gold tremisses of Anastasius aren't terribly expensive if you ever want a better representative of him in your collection:

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  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The one nummus pieces make it pretty obvious why Anastasius 'reformed' and made the 40 nummi coins with the big M. Getting one with any obverse legend (VK has DN) pretty much means you give up the portrait. I wonder if you assembled every extant coin of this tpe together in one place if you could demonstrate the complete obverse legend almost certainly no more than two letters on any one coin. It is good that the reverse monogram makes them easily identifiable.
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  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

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  9. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Here's a Manuel I which might do well with some careful cleaning (so I'll leave it alone :D )

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    Manuel I Comnenus, CE 1143-1180
    AE half tetarteron, 16 mm, 1.6 gm
    Uncertain Greek mint
    Obv: Monogram Sear 58 (D-M-K-PL clockwise from left at the ends of a cross) in large letters
    Rev: no legend, crowned, unbearded bust of Manuel facing, wearing loros, holding labarum and cross on globe
    Ref: SB 1979

    and another

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    Manuel I Comnenus, CE 1143-1180
    AE tetarteron
    Thessalonica
    Obv: MANVHL DECPOTH, Manuel, crowned and wearing loros, bust facing, holding labarum and cross on globe
    Rev: barred IC - barred XC to left and right of cross with X at centre, on three steps
    Ref: SB 1976; BMC 86-90
     
  10. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    The Small Big M.

    Anastasius (491-518 AD)
    AE Small Module 40 nummis (Follis)
    struck 498-507 AD
    23.8 mm x 12.43 grams
    Obverse: Diademed bust of Anastasius- DN ANASTASIVS AV
    Reverse: Large M flanked by Stars, Delta Officina - NIC, cross above
    ref# SB32

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  11. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  12. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Basil II and Heraclius;
    Basil II bronze.jpg Heraclius gold tremisses.jpg
     
  13. Herberto

    Herberto Well-Known Member

    These copper tetarteron are not entirely typical Byzantine coinage as the contemporary scyphate coins are, and in which origin can be traced back to Anastasius’ monetary reform. Tetarteron can be traced back to Fatimid coinage(or somehow).

    If I remember right the Tetarteron was once gold and it came as result as the Macedonian Dynasty’s expansion over Muslim’s lands, where a lighter gold coin than Solidus circulated there. At a time both the lighter Tetarteron gold coin and Solidus coin circulated at the same time within Byzantine hemisphere.

    Solidus became Histamenon, a tinier fabric gold coin in order to easier distinguish it from Tetarteron gold which was a thick small gold coin. Later that Tetarteron gold became copper for whatever reason I don’t remember why.

    The first 3 are Tetarteron copper, and the last 2 the contemporary scyphate coins.


    Alexius Komnenus, sear 1932, 1,6cm, Thessaloniki.
    1081-1118 Alexius Komnenos 10 S1932.JPG


    John II Komnenus and Yeezus, sear 1954, 1,3cm, Thessaloniki.
    1118-1143 John II Komenos 10 S1954.JPG


    Manuel Komnenus and Mary, sear 1968, 2 cm, Constantinople.

    1143-1180 Manuel I Komnenos 10 S1968.JPG




    And the scyphate coins, cup coins, which are larger than the above:

    John II, sear 1944, Constantinople. That coin has some sort of silver-colored patina, and is slightly lighter than my four others cup coins, I don’t understand why.
    1118-1143 John II Komnenos 3 S1944.JPG


    Manuel I Komnenos and Mary, Sear 1966, Constantinople.
    1143-1180 Manuel I Komnenos 8 S1966.JPG
     
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  14. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    cool start to byzantine from your donor, and some cool byzantine coins here.

    i still don't have a tetarerton or a pre-reform anastasius. here's the fist thing i hid somewhat related, an anastasius half follis i picked up this year.

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    Anastasius I, Half Follis, 491-518 AD
    O: Diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right, D N ANASTASIVS P P AVC R: K, cross in left field flanked by N and I Nikomedia mint SB-38, 21 mm 4.5g
     
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  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Considering the coins we call Byzantine span 950 years and include some things so crude that reading them is a task, studying the whole series will be a task not to be undertaken lightly. I like them and collect them but know I will never be half dangerous with many of the byways of Byzantine.
     
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  16. Herberto

    Herberto Well-Known Member

    Doug (or the others who are well-informed in this matter)

    Davis Sear says so(that Byzantium coinage are crude)

    I don’t collect pre-Constantinian coins but intend to collect them from Republic times and Imperial time in the future as Roman Empire and Byzantine Empire virtually are the same thing from my view.

    I will not contradict you in term of numismatic field as you and almost the others know better than me, but would you elaborate your assertion that Byzantine coins are typical crude and difficult to read?

    Because when I for instance see Roman coins from Augustus and onwards in MA-shop, v-coins or Pecunem.com I see also crude Roman coins in somehow in the same amount/quantity.

    Like for instance when I visit Pecunem and go to the Roman Imperial section I already notice crude denarius or sestertius easily the first 10-20 seconds already.
     
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