Are these worth saving?

Searching some Lincoln cents this afternoon and got a couple finds I don't really know if are worth saving. Would like your opinions - thanks!!

1969-D "floating roof" ? (at least 1/2 a floating roof)



And RPM or just PMD?

 

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IMO no, but what should matter most is if YOU like them or not, and regardless of value. And yes.... the second was caused by a hit, unfortunately.

 

OK - Thanks for the info on the 80-D - back it goes into the change jar, I guess I'll put the 1/2 floating roof into a 2X2 and stick it in my ring binder page - gotta make wasting all that time coin searching worth something

 

Do what I do if you are on Ebay Markus. Gather up 20 errors in 2x2's, ( they don't all have to be the same type error either) put them in a plastic page for display and sell them for more seed money for something nice. I usually get $9.99 a page full plus my shipping. Use the freebie listings when they come through. I really don't do too bad building the rest of my collection this way. I sold two pages of these the other day and then got a second chance offer on a full roll of B.U. FY 2009P Lincoln Cents WDDR-058 I was bidding on for $20.00 shipped. Considering these are going for 7-$10 each in MS60-63, I don't think I did too bad. My cost=40 cents in found error cents, 25 cents for the page (2), 25 cents for the padded mailer=$1.15 cents vs. a possible $350.00 or more when I re-sell the error DDR's. In the end I will have plenty of extra to pay for slabbing some better graded ones through ANACS. I usually try and send out MS66 or higher after I have cherry picked the roll. America-the land of entrepenurs, isn't it grand!

 

Is anyone actually paying in and/or near that range with any regularity though? I don't know and is why I ask; it's been probably 5 years or so since I've bothered looking, but after the novelty wore off post 09, these dropped significantly, short of a handful of the more prominent varieties. Time was one could barely give them away, so it would be nice if some interest has returned to the middle of the road DDRs.

 

It can be spotty with sales of these I'll admit but a couple, three weeks back I sold a lot of these plus quarter and nickel minors to one person for around $183.00. Could have been a collector or flea market vendor.

 

I will do that eventually but for now I'm kinda like this!

 

No offense Tommy, but this type of bidiot is going to be the death of the hobby.

Chris

 

I don't collect errors but if you like them then keep them. To be honest I don't really see what the fuss is all about. The only one I think is pretty cool is the 1955 DDO. And if it wasn't regarded as the most popular doubled die I probably wouldn't care for it either.

 

No offense taken Chris. But actually, even though they are minor errors I sell, I do portray them as such in my descriptions. I would suppose that someone out there maybe needs to have bragging rights, you know, I have them and you don't type of scenario. But like I've said of other types of collecting, it may be one persons fancy to collect minors and others are not in the least bit interested. When I retired 4 years ago I needed to create a niche to help pay some of the bills and this seems to help out. And of course I would never short change anyone who bought them. I do offer a 14 day return guarantee with no questions asked. I hope I'm not creating a problem for collectors in general but then again, I'm not selling them as rare or one of a kind either. I really hope this does not offend anyone in the hobby as such would never be my intention.

 

It's a rather touchy thing, Tommy, and I certainly can relate to Chris' feelings on the matter. Generally speaking, such minor "errors", when sold as opposed to found, cause more problems than they're worth, particularly when buyers do not truly understand (even if clearly explained) what they're getting. Such coins being offered as something they're not, of course, is an even bigger problem, but as long as you're not fluffing them and making them out to be something special, all while offering at a low price, I see no great harm. It's just very important that buyers know exactly what they're getting, so if you're idiot-level clear that they're very low value and minor, you're not hurting anyone. Perhaps think of it this way... what you're really selling are novelties.

 

It's sad, and I'm not implying that you are doing anything wrong. Of course, if there were no bidiots buying these, you wouldn't be selling them. The people who I feel should accept the blame are those "so-called" experts who charge for their services to authenticate such crap.

Chris

 

Perhaps I've misunderstood, but I don't believe he's talking about your so deeply hated minor varieties, Chris, but about debatable and/or exceedingly minor so-called "errors" on par with Markus' first coin. I'm also not aware of any ("so-called") variety experts who are cashing in from attributing such things.

 

Yeah, this topic is going back and forth between errors and varieties. The OP and Tommy mention both. However, I object to the varieties that are so minor, that they can hardly be seen with a 10x loupe. And yes, they charge for attributing them. As a result, I will continue to voice my opposition to these "itsy bitsy teeny weeny" "if you're foolish enough to waste your money, I will gladly take it" attributions by the so-called experts who apparently need the money.

Chris

 

and the 69 S commands respect as well

 

I still don't hear you saying TPG attribution is a "foolish enough waste of your money", even for slap-in-the-face obvious varieties, and come to think of it, why are you not including VAM attributors in this crusade; are there not similarly minor VAMs? You're certainly within your rights not to like them and disagree with the collecting of such things, but to imply widely accepted expert attributors are ripping off or getting rich from their whopping $5ish fee, is simply foolish and reeks of a questionable agenda. At least consider the time and effort such people must invest in correctly attributing these coins before flinging poo. There are burger flippers who now think their skill set deserves $5 per 20 minutes of work for Christ's sake!

While Tommy did mention both, it was in different contexts. The OP did not.

 

Yes, the OP did mention both. An RPM would be considered a variety and the "floating roof" would be considered an error.

Let's put it this way. If the "so-called" experts were working for one of the major grading services, the minor varieties would never be attributed. I never said they are ripping people off. Those are your words. What I'm saying is that if more people stopped believing that the tiny errors and varieties were important, then maybe they wouldn't be listed at all.

Obviously, you haven't followed my comments on VW or some of the other forums. Despite being a life member of the SSDC, I have pretty much been ostracized from VW because of my opposition to some of the varieties that are accepted. I think if you searched here, you would even find my comments about the 1921 Morgan "Squiggles" which I think are a joke.

Either do your homework or go back to flipping your burgers before they get burned.

Chris

 

My apologies for having better things to do than follow some indignant schmo around on other forums; my comments were based upon what I've seen of you here, period.

Now, I'm sure you understand what "imply" means. While you have not used the words "ripped off", you inject this crap into every other thread where minor varieties are discussed, always implying that the attributors are, in one way or another, taking advantage of those who collect in this area. From this very thread... "if you're foolish enough to waste your money, I will gladly take it" attributions by the so-called experts who apparently need the money". If other examples are needed, there are plenty to chose from.

If there was sufficient demand for minor varieties to be attributed on slabs, they would be, and at a substantially higher cost to the submitter. The fact that the TPGs do not does nothing to prove or promote your position; it's all about money.

Again, just because you don't care for such things, it doesn't mean every thread where they're discussed should be viewed as a welcome sign for you to spew vitriol. Hell, I don't see the attraction either, but doesn't mean I see it as a free pass to insult those who do collect, enjoy, or attribute them. The attributors offer a very low cost service for those who want it; nothing more or less.

 

I was wondering who you were messaging to, cause I couldn't figure out what statements you were answering to - but then it hit me, Gotta be cmp9ball - I blocked him years ago cause he always had some stupid thing to write no matter if he chimed in on my post or some one else's. Did I guess right?

 

That's right! When all else fails, start name-calling.

If it's all about the money, then why don't the TPG's accept them?

Chris