What if ICG graded dime went to NGC

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by NumisRookie, Dec 5, 2015.

  1. NumisRookie

    NumisRookie Active Member

    There is a dime I would like to buy that is in a ICG slab and is FB or I think even FT reverse. I'm worried that ICG graded this coin an MS67 and NGC or PCGS would grade it 66 or could it even go to 65??? To be clear, I'm not saying that when I look at the coin I think it was graded too high. I'm not qualified to assume that. But I'm worried that the big 2 might think so. I personally have no reason to think it is anything other than a 67.

    Question is:

    Is it very likely that ICG would call a 65 coin a 67?
    (I wouldn't be crushed if it came back a 66.....)
     
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  3. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Do you have any images? Usually ICG can get it right until they get to 69 and 70.
     
  4. NumisRookie

    NumisRookie Active Member

  5. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    To answer your question without studying your coin too closely, the short answer is yes. ICG does not have a good reputation in their grading. I bought this one that they have graded as F12 without any issues (it's clearly been cleaned and retoned).
    1804 half cent.jpg
     
  6. NumisRookie

    NumisRookie Active Member

    Did you send it back to them to take advantage of their advertised guarantee?
     
  7. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Even at MS67 it isn't worth the cost of slabbing. It's a nice coin either way - just keep the slab you have.
     
  8. NumisRookie

    NumisRookie Active Member

    If PCGS certified it as MS67 FB then their price guide has it at $2000. I usually bank on half of their numbers.....so ya, I'd be happy with a $1000 coin with less than $100 in it.
     
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  9. charlietig

    charlietig Well-Known Member

    No kidding, how could you say it's not worth it???
     
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  10. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Because it's not hard to see the bottom band of the torch is incomplete, as are some of the verticals at the top. It's not FT. If it were FT, value would obviously be quite different.
     
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  11. NumisRookie

    NumisRookie Active Member

    There is a reason I said....
    FB doesn't require the vertical lines to be perfect last I heard.

    And I feel safe saying that this coin is debatable as to whether or not it is Full Bands. I would know for sure once it is in my hands and looked at with my loop.

    I get that you mean well with your input, but I'm really not looking for advice on whether or not I should get it re-slabbed. I just wanted to see if majority thought ICG could be 2 points off.
     
  12. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Roosevelts don't get "Full Bands." They get "Full Torch," for which both horizontals and verticals must be complete according to NGC's own definition. Might want to confirm that before you spend the money on a submission. :)

    And if your imagery doesn't show the reverse as detailed as it actually is, I'll happily change my tune.
     
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  13. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    To be fair, that's a completely different coin and the big 2 also get it wrong sometimes...
     
  14. NumisRookie

    NumisRookie Active Member

    Pcgs designates full bands. Check your facts, edited
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Correct. But, PCGS is more lenient.

    The PCGS "Full Bands" designation for Roosevelts requires that both the upper and lower pair of bands on the torch be distinct and show full separation. The line dividing the bands must be complete and unbroken.

    http://www.pcgs.com/News/Pcgs-To-Add-Full-Bands-Designation-For-Roosevelt-Dimes
     
  16. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Based on the images, I feel NGC or PCGS would give it MS-66 without any designation.
     
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  17. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    OK, I'll concede that. We're still arguing semantics, because the coin presented here is not FB/FT.
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    We're not arguing though. I was merely pointing out the differences between the 2 TPGs. And not just for you, but for anyone who reads this thread.
     
  19. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    No, I'm not feeling an argument at all. I conceded because I wasn't completely right, that's all. :)
     
  20. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I agree with the MS66 and no bands or torch.
     
  21. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    This coin won't get pass 65 with pcgs or ngc, and this is why . Veins have left the acorn leaves and the nobs are gone on the acorn shells too ...

    At least from these image showing ....
     
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