1913-D Type 1 Buffalo DDR possible discovery?

I think I had brought this up a while back. But I finally have the proper lens to image the details that made me purchase this coin in the first place. I noticed the apparent doubling in E PLURIBUS UNUM and a few places on the hump of the Buffalo.

Skip to today and I finally put my 35mm Tominon Large Format macro lens on my Nikon bellows system. I wanted to shoot a high magnification image of the doubling that I see. I like to think I am pretty good at distinguishing Machine Doubling from true Die Doubling. Here are the images for you to make your judgements.

If anyone knows of a good Buffalo variety expert that I can send this to for verification, I would appreciate it.

While I know it's not a major Doubled Die. It would still be neat to be the discoverer of a new Doubled Die. Especially one that is over 100 years old.


Here is the doubling. I can see what appears to be notching at the bottom of the P, top of the L and in the S of PLURIBUS.

Here is the details of the doubling in the details of the neck and hump of the Buffalo.

 

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I don't think it will be and here is why .
All the doubling on the leters are running clock wise ( CW ) except for the " U " in UNUM . Its running CCW ...

 

However, I am not sure about the Buffalo's back, but...

the E and PL + S sure look good

 

I definitely see what you're saying with the doubling but I am not sure if it's a DDR. Even so, that's a beautiful coin!

 

@Rick Stachowski I don't see what you mean about the doubling running CCW on the U in Unum. It looks consistent to the rest. You can make it out on the inside left rise as well as on the bottom right on the outside.

@Treashunt I'm in disbelief that you are in agreement with me. I'd like to know your thoughts on the Buffalo's back. To me that really sealed it.

As far as the coin goes, I think it had PVC damage in it's past. I can see some of the green in the higher magnification. I now have it soaking in 100% pure acetone.

 

That notch in the upper part of the L intriques me a little . Other than the Buffalos back the rest loos like MD . So I really don't know . @Jim M .

 

All the doubling has to run the same way, not two difference ways .

I put some arrows to where I'm talking about .

If this was a true ddo the doubling would be of the left side of the " N " or the black arrow side

 

I see what you are saying. But the red arrows next to the "U" is not doubling, it's the rise up to the "U". You can see the same thing in the "E" and "P", it's part of the how the design was created.

Here is a more magnified image of the "UN" of "UNUM". I have pointed out the doubling with red arrows, the upslope with the blue curves and I circled the area between the "U" and "N" in green which has a relief that is too high and would have obliterated the original doubling.

 

And here is a detail of the "PLU" with outlining of the notching I see.

 

If thats the case, could be then .
I'd was looking through wexler site and the 1913 DDR 3 isn't much different then yours .

I'd copy & paste the images but their wexler, so you'll have to visit the site .
http://www.doubleddie.com/1103620.html

 

I think if the "Motto" had better separation from the background, the doubling would be much more distinguishable.

 

Its a late die state too and that makes those letters look mushy ...

 

Thanks for that link Rick. It is very similar to this one. I know the CPG stated that more and more like this are being discovered.

 

Very true. They are extremely mushy.

 

Do you ever post on pcgs forums, cause I could light the forums up over there with your coin ?

 

I do. But, I'm not thrilled with the type of people over there. They all seem to think they work for PCGS and look down their nose at a lot of things.

Your more than welcome to post it over there.

 

I will .

I love the challenge and some knowledge from wexler site will help .

 

I think it is MDD with late stage deteriorated dies. Having notches or separations are not good indicators, unless both parts are close to the same height from a non-single squeeze minting process. What I see, they are not.

 

Haha.. I will be looking for it. LOL

 

I have to agree with Desertgem on this coin. Its MD or die deterioration doubling, whatever you want to call it this week. Notice the Pic that Richard posted showing the areas on both sides of the letters. I would have to see this in hand to be 100% but based on these pics.. Thats my opinion.