'Other' Ancient Coins

Hmmm,......I just impulsively purchased a fourree that sort of resembles a washer...I'll post it on a thread later and it'll be obvious why that comes to mind LOL

Damn, I keep pulling a 'Late Night Greg'

 

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Welcome to the club. Excellent score.

 

Thanks. I love the coin, and it means a lot to me. I feel that I am in a awesome club with it!

 

Yea you really belong to an elite group of folks who have this coin.

 

Totally agree

 

Here's some of my collections

Rouran Khaganate. A lost civilization that once spanned much of northern China until their total annihilation by the combined forces of the Goturks and Northern Qi forces around 300AD.


A rare needle tip knife money from the spring autumn period of the Zhou Dynasty. According to Hartill, These were unknown until a hoard was excavated in chengde In 1932. They were believed to be primarily used for trade with the Xiongnu Huns that reside around the area.




Siam. Ayuthayya period pod duang Silver bullet coin. With 2 official punchmarks depicting the period.

 

Amazing and fascinating 'collection' !!!

I love the variety of 'interests' that members gravitate towards--- so many unknown to the vast majority of us.

 

I believe that diversity makes us rich.. Whilst it's good to specialize but being open to other civilizations really brings the hobby to a different level

 

Nice needle point knife. I've only handled a few over the years.

 

Thanks.. they don't pop up very often. Worse still they break easily..

 

They break easily? RATS, I am on the prowl for one... Reckon I best be very careful...

 

=> wow, that's very cool, Loong Siew (sure, I'll try to find one of those!!)



... you have great coin-skills (it's awesome having you aboard => please keep trying to convince me to buy cash-coins, my cool friend!!)

=> "you can lead an ass to water" ... ummm, isn't that a saying?



you rock!!

 

Hahaha.. nah.. I just continue to learn and pick up what I can from others.. I don't just trust my own instincts and experience alone but also that of my seller/dealer too...

 

Oh yes they do.. notorious for that especially for one with such a tip... even thicker ones like full bodies knives are not unknown to be susceptible to this

 

Hmmmm... the Ayuthayya Silver bullets are a GREAT idea! In times of war, the slingers would pelt the opposing army with all this $$$MONEY$$$, and the Ayuthayyan Army would GO BANANAS to kill off the enemy to pick up the spoils of war!!!

@Loong Siew : Am I right??? LOL, kidding of course...

 

If they invented guns back then then yes.. these pieces are small at around 12 or so grams. Mine is only 1 baht.. the largest I heard and seen once was 4 baht but their cost can really burn a hole in ya pocket lol

 

As a history enthusiast and researcher, I beg to differ on this one. It is probable that exposure to Asian history may be limited in the west. However, if you actually research into the history of all the various civilizations both lost and existing, the cultural diversity etc, you can never cover in a lifetime. Take Chinese, Indian and even Silk Road history for instance.. Perhaps it's a matter of choice of theme would be more appropriate.. Heck, even the Romans and Han Dynasty had cultural or diplomatic exchanges.. (Known back then as Da Qin 大秦 or Great Qin).. Notwithstanding the Turks, Huns, Avars etc had their roots from the plains of Central and Northern Asia...

 

You will be very surprised how much has changed since.. With the new wealth in China, Chinese coins are experiencing incredible surges in price.. I had an original book by Schotjh second had with the previous owner writing the prices in pencil for some dragon silvers.. Imagine a silver dragon (scarce variant) which is at least a few thousand today scribbled with only about $100-$200... Hahahahaha

Nonetheless I too love Chinese cast coins but fear the fakes.. So I try as much as possible to obtain only from reputable dealers and auctions.. Here's a few more for sharing

Fu Chang Zhong Bao 3-cash. False Qi Dynasty under the Jin Puppet Liu Yu from the Northern-Souther Song period.


Later Jin (pre-Qing) dynasty under Abahai Khan (Huang Taiji) before the capture of Beijing and the establishment of the Qing Dynasty. In old Manchu Script "Sure Han Ni Jiha"

 

This one reminds me of so many copies of Kushan originals which I assume are separated by style. I never suspected that they went as far as Northern China. I have one that I have been calling Kidarite:


...and the other just called a Huvishka copy with no idea of origin. Guidance appreciated.


I see the Western hesitance to study these coins is a factor of them being too complex a history with too little to link the coins to specifics of that history. We also see greatly conflicting dates (did the Rouran fall in 300 or 500's). We see suggestions they may be linked to barbarians that 'troubled' the West but fail to see consensus among sources. Probably worst is the fact that few of us read the languages in which most of the studies are written.

When a Westerner wants to express something is beyond his understanding he says, "Its Greek to me." As a very general collector who would like to expand his horizons and who reads enough Greek to be relatively comfortable with coins, the language of Asian coins is light years beyond anything faced in Europe. Saying "its Greek to me" becomes a joke. Were it only that simple!

 

In fact the kushans Were descendants of the Yuezhi, a tribal federation that dominated the eastern parts of the silk road with major diplomatic ties with the Han dynasty. And the Avars that threatened Europe were also associated with the Rouran descendants. Turks on the other hand were descended from the Gokturks whom formed an alliance with the Northern Qi who were also Sinicized Turkic Xianbei people to wipe out the Rouran... the whole complexity of the cultural fusions, exchanges, conquests and assimilation are mind boggling..