New Variety of Shield Nickel

Just trying out the camera setup @rmpsrpms helped me out with at the suggestion of @robec! Thanks to them both for the help. These are my first real shots I worked on with the new setup and I know I have a lot to learn! All the same I am happy with the results considering my limited photography skills!

 

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Hey look even Miss America looks good shot with a old Brownie camera. This is an exceptional coin great eye appeal . No matter what she's a winner!
And will have to say the OP has a great eye for exceptional coins. Two thumbs up!!

 

Have to respond to this.

Many 1869s are known with a wide date obverse and reverse IIc (it is common). Eight known of them show a DDO. 13 known of them show an RPD. Three of them show both a DDO and an RPD. Two of them show a Missing Leaf. There are undoubtedly more new reverse IIc combined with varieties remaining to be discovered, like this beautiful example.

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The pictures posted here are among the best shield nickel variety photos I've ever seen (and I've seen tens of thousands).

 

I have posted this before in another thread,but will explain in details here so everyone will have this to go back and look at this specimen and see the difference that makes this a new discovery .
There are several reverses for the shield nickel.
Hub l are all 1866 and some 1867 coins
This is the first hub or reverse that had "Rays" between the stars.
The without Rays hubs....
Reverse of 1867 some 67'68,and 1869 coins this is hub lla
Reverse of 68 llb this makes up only a small percentage of 1868 coins. Roughly around 3 million coins total of 6 varieties .
Reverse hub llc some 69,and all 1870-1883 coins.
Now to determine what hub you're looking at one must know how to identify .
You use the position of the stars in relation to the lettering on the reverse.
Hub l below the left foot in the A in States
Below the right foot of the E (S) in states
Below the left of the upright of the (F) in Of
Below the AM in America
Below the left foot of the R in America .
And again Hub l has the rays

Reverse hub lla without Rays
Below the left foot of the A in States
Below the right foot of the E (S) in states
Below the left of the upright of the F in Of
Below the left foot of the R in America .
This hub is one of the easiest to ID as the star below the O in of has a broken point at the 10 K position .
this hub is found on all 1867 WE some 68 all 69 narrow date and some 69 wide date.
Reverse hub llb
Below the A in States
Below the left serif of the second S in states
To the center of the F in of
below the right edge of the foot of the M in America
Below the right of the upright of the R in America
hub llb is found with both broken and solid letters and on some 68 nickels.

Reverse llc
below the left base of the A in States
below the right foot of the E (S) in states
Below the left of the upright of the F in Of
Below the M in America
Below the right side of the upright of the R in America
the first S in states is doubled Slightly along the left side
Denticals are doubled, hub llc is found with both solid and broken letters , it's found in some 69 and all 1870- 1883.
Some 1868 dated nickels are said to exist with this hub but bit confirmed.

To my knowledge of this series......and references I own....

The coin the op has posted is an obv. Hub B with a rev hub llc a wide date ,with a repunched date,and a ddo.
This combo has until now not been known to exist.
And it makes this coin 4 varieties on one coin.

 

@Paddy54 THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT KNOWLEGE!

 

So you're Howard of shieldnickels.net correct?

 

This is how cherry pickers explains the different hubs. One must know that there are more unknown varieties in shield nickels then known. I'm sure from my references and their printed dates a lot more discoveries have been made.
Since shield nickels are not a widely collected coin I assume that there are new discovery coins that have not been reported or just not published at this time.
I am no expert but a collector who loves these under appreciated coins. And given the chance buy them on a regular basis due to my appreciations of all the oddities they hold.

 

I personally wish that there were more in print then the text that are out of print to reference these coin by.
Again I totally understand these aren't Morgan's or Bust Half's . .....they are not collected as other US coins are.
There are a few series that are not treasured as the two I mentioned above.
Maybe if there was more references and text an interest would be developed by collectors.

 

Correct.

 

I've got an 1870 to send you. I will e mail you soon.

 

This is incorrect. This is the 4th known Obv. B (which only comes with wide date), Rev. IIc, with both an RPD and a DDO. Two out of the three are listed in Fletcher as F-411 and F-414. The third one is listed only in SNV (S5-7002).

If you are relying on CPG for knowledge of what shield nickel varieties exist, be aware that many many more SN varieties exist than those covered by CPG.

 

Instead of relying on only on descriptions to differentiate shield nickel hubs, why not take a look at photos?

http://www.shieldnickels.net/hubs/hubs.html

 

I have the cpg and the complete guide to shields and Liberty head nickels. And yes as stated above are out dated. One by 20 years

 

Ed Fletcher is reported working on a second edition of his book.

My SNV is the most comprehensive reference. It is a computer program, not a printed book. This is not a sales pitch, but if you are interested in information see:

http://www.shieldnickels.net/snv/snv.html

 

Both of those references are inadequate for distinguishing among a number of very similar varieties, because they do not have sufficient photos.

 

But just noticed something that made me think.... I just said I have an 1870 for you to look at. The 5 on my 1870 and the 5 on the reverse of this coin in this post have the same doubling the same hits and marks. I will post some images in a few

 

Take a look at all the areas of the 5 on the rev of my 1870 and the 1869 in this thread notice anything? Image #3 notice the split on the 5

 

this area to me it looks like the same split on the OP nickel

 

Another question I have is that my coin has 8 broken letters see image

 

It looks the same to me