PCGS question...

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Andrew Snovell, Oct 30, 2015.

  1. Dancing Fire

    Dancing Fire Junior Member

    But what is the difference in price? $1?
     
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  3. charlietig

    charlietig Well-Known Member

    It just depends on the coin and the value between whatever the new grade is and what is marked on the slab (70).
    From Dime to Dollar, a big difference in price usually
     
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  4. Andrew Snovell

    Andrew Snovell Active Member

    Hi, yes I will send some pictures of the coins in question. I do not want to send the link as that would reveal the seller, and since I partially am to blame I do not want to start anything. Ok,maybe a bit more than partially.
     
  5. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    In this case, the prices used are those which PCGS sets themselves in their Price Guide.
     
  6. bigjpst

    bigjpst Well-Known Member

    You would assume that would be the case, but the real market price may be completely different than the guide price. And you know what happens when you assume.
     
  7. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I'm not "assuming." It's how PCGS does Grade Review.
     
  8. Dancing Fire

    Dancing Fire Junior Member

    Are there any PCGS price guide for modern coins?
     
  9. Andrew Snovell

    Andrew Snovell Active Member

    Yes, I am the buyer. Don't remind me! LOL! To the sellers credit....
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No, it is not.

    IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT PCGS WILL BE THE SOLE DETERMINER OF THE CURRENT MARKET VALUE OF THE COIN AND THAT CURRENT MARKET VALUE IS DEFINED AS DEALER REPLACEMENT VALUE, I.E. THE PRICE A DEALER WOULD MOST LIKELY HAVE TO PAY TO REPLACE THE COIN.

    You can read that for yourself right here - http://www.pcgs.com/guarantee.html
     
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  11. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I stand corrected. It's a policy they've changed since I learned it years ago, and it speaks volumes about their Price Guide if they don't honor it when buying their own coins.
     
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  12. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'm not sure things are still the same but at one time PCGS would work with folks to find a solution to make them happy. They would find a new coin, pay the difference or just buy the coin back. They don't want mistakes out there. I'm sure it gets tougher to make folks happy with really high value coins.
     
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  13. d.t.menace

    d.t.menace Member

    Sending these in for grade review is probably a losing proposition. The difference in price between 69's and 70's in state quarters may not even cover shipping. And that's if PCGS agrees to downgrade them.
    If you paid more than 15 bucks a piece for them you don't want to sink more money in them.
     
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  14. Kentucky

    Kentucky Well-Known Member

    I still wonder about that "70" grade.
     
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  15. David Setree Rare Coins

    David Setree Rare Coins Well-Known Member

    Now wait just a minute! If the gods say a coin is a 70 then it's a 70!

    Right? Right? RIGHT?
     
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  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Sorry Dave, but what I quoted has been PCGS policy since the day they opened their doors for business.

    But you are not alone in thinking they use their price guide, it is a false assumption that many make, and have for years.
     
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  17. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Then I learned wrong. First time today; I'll take it. :)
     
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  18. Andrew Snovell

    Andrew Snovell Active Member

    Ok, folks thank you for the birthday wishes! Almost half a century old, and getting AARP mailings! Fantastic! LOL! Here is the picture that I promised. The seller in the auction listed a small mark under the "A" in America. This is not slab scuff. It's not a 70 by any means. Thoughts? s-l1600.jpg
     
  19. Andrew Snovell

    Andrew Snovell Active Member

    s-l1600.jpg And another. Notice made of the small mark below the "E" in Liberty. Small but still notated, and still being offered as a 70?
     
  20. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    While that's certainly possible, why would anyone want to take clad state quarters out of a slab and play with them??

    The other possibilities are... if defect is on coin and not on slab... 1) Damaged somewhere in the process from grader to slabbing 2) Damaged while inside the slab, especially if not properly secured 3) Grader missed defect (aka misgraded).
     
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  21. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Andrew... it's not the seller's grade, it's PCGS'. Even if the issues are in fact on the coins themselves, other than noting them, what would you expect him to do? Crack them out rendering them near worthless, or perhaps waste his time with PCGS? I believe you said they were offered in auction-style listings, right? If so, you really couldn't ask for more of a seller; he made potential buyers aware of what he saw, and let them dictate the price, yet when all is said and done, you bought PCGS' opinion and not his. You might have a valid complaint had he sold raw as 70's, but he didn't.

    Also, it was you in the OP who first used "scuff", so it's only logical that others would take it at face value. With that said though, wait until they arrive and you can examine them with your own eyes. There's no reason to worry about the ifs and buts until they're in your hands anyway.
     
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