1882-CC Received Wrong Coin, What to do/What Would it Grade?

You got a different coin, but not inferior to the other one. Ask the seller if he might have gotten two orders swapped. If he did, he's looking to avoid two possible negs by getting them situation fixed.

 

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Yeah, this is another thing too. Have you contemplated simply contacting the seller and getting things straightened out?

 

I'd contact the seller and return the coin. Even if you like it more, clearly someone else is out there who has also gotten the wrong coin. And even if they like the one they got more; the fact is the seller bungled the sale and needs to fix the issue.

 

Nothing in the auction says anything about DMPL, so you may have a hard time with it. The one in the auction looks pretty choppy, the one you have now in hand looks better imho. You can do as you wish, but if that's the auction you bought from and that is the coin you received, I think you did ok. The one in the auction to me does not qualify as DMPL, and I would grade a 62.

The one you have in your picture is a good 63 coin as far as the camera says.

 

Tough call.

 

Exactly. I contacted the seller, but I bet whoever received that other coin, if they received that one at all, probably didn't say anything. So the decision really comes down to keep the coin or get a refund. I think I like the coin.

 

On a side note, the seller said that he used the same pics on three listings thinking it was a good idea, so maybe the plot thickens. That is really never a good idea, all you have to go on is the pics provided, so it's basically false advertising.

 

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There are so many nice GSA Morgans that there is plenty of room for choice. Buying on eBay unless they are NGC or PCGS certified is risky--even then, there are no guarantees. I suggest buying in person from a reliable dealer, so as to see the coin in hand, and that way, you will be happy. We're not cynical here--we have all just had experiences just like you, where pictures were deceptive, and dealers overstated the condition or depicted the coin in a manner much nicer than it was in real life. If one wants a DMPL, then one better buy one that is certified as DMPL or DPL by PCGS or NGC , respectively.


Below are two sets of pictures:




IT is the exact same coin (chosen at random off of eBay), but by lighting adjustments, it looks rather different. It took me less than a minute with a photo edit to make the second set of pictures look as if it might have deep mirrors, and it would fool many collectors. Both are pictures of the same NGC certified MS 65 GSA, so there ya go. Online photographs can accomplish a lot in terms of being deceptive.

 

One doesn't just decide to keep a coin they didn't purchase if they like or if the flub somehow benefits them. I don't care about its worth or values; doing so is tantamount to stealing and is as simple as that. You discuss the situation, as an adult, with the seller. If they're okay with the switch, then fine... you're in the clear, but if they're not, the right thing is to return it while keeping in mind that unless you're magically perfect, we all make mistakes.

There are already too many people involved in this hobby more than willing to screw the next guy if it benefits them, all while being perfectly happy to slam someone else for the most minor or arguable infraction. You seem like a nice and decent fellow, OP; take the high road.

 

Trust me, I'm not looking to screw anyone. I have been in contact with the seller, and he has been very agreeable. I have been defending the seller this whole thread, while others have been cynical about the pictures in question. I don't think the seller doctored the photos I know he used the same photos for multiple coins. I don't understand why the onus would be put on me to "make things right". I didn't get the coin I purchased, and it is not available.

Luckily, we have come to an agreement and the seller was more than reasonable and I believe each of us will come out of this with a fair price.

 

GSA Morgans are so cool because they are one of the few "raw" coins that you can feel pretty secure purchasing, so I don't feel that is an issue.

Once again, the seller didn't doctor any images, he simply had the usual subpar images most people use when posting. Your second set of images still look nothing like a DMPL. I just don't think the seller is that much of a mastermind to be able to take what looks like a bad photo, and alter it to make just the coin look DMPL while retaining all the original qualities of the crappy photo.

I know I said I'm new to this, but I have a bunch of DMPLs in hand and I can truly say the one in the original listing was a PL most likely DMPL. Edit: Looking at the photos again I think I'm leaning closer to PL. We will never know because some other buyer received it and kept quiet about it.

I agree that buying raw coins can be risky, but the best purchase I have made so far has been a raw coin that graded with a value $1200 over what I paid. That is half the fun. It's like finding treasure. I will also buy graded slabs that are being sold at a reasonable price, but a lot of dealers put an asking price higher than the price guide. That's like buying a pair of shoes that retail for 50 bucks and the store asking 70. I also see a lot of dealers selling coins way above the price guide and saying "under graded". To me, that is like buying a raw coin also.

To some, the thrill lies in buying a slabbed coin that appears under graded. That is fun also, but both skill and luck come into play, just like buying raw coins.

I agree with seeing coins in hand, I just can't justify a 30% markup for the privilege of doing so. Honestly, the photos they use at Heritage auctions are pretty much like having the coin in hand, so there are sellers that use quality photos that really take the guesswork out of things. The seller in question was just typical, but even so the photos were enough to me at least to know the approximate condition of the coin (if it was the right one!)

Once again, the coin I received is very nice! It just wasn't the one I bought, so this isn't even a question of receiving a coin that looked better in the pictures. It's like if I bought a Camry but received an Accord.

 

The felt in the actual box is blue, the coin I received also has these trace fibers in it. I think they just found a way into the slab, nothing deceptive going on.

 

Ironically, this coin came pretty quick. I bought a slabbed 1885-CC a couple of weeks ago I was real excited about that never showed up. Now i have to file a claim, though I'd rather have the coin.

 

I've no doubt you're a straight shooter, so please don't take anything personally. Being fairly new here, perhaps you haven't yet noticed that there are a minority on this fine board who seem to be lacking in simple and common decency, and who seem perfectly willing to exploit anything that could be of personal benefit. It is not as if I believe pointing out would-be questionable behavior will change anything or anyone, but it does not hurt to try. Your thread and situation presented an opportunity to make a hopeful point, nothing less or more.

Your thread has also shown, as countless others have as well, how trying first to work with a seller isn't such a terrible thing, and how there's no real reason to file SNADs or drag ebay in unless absolutely necessary. Contrary to what a select few here seem to think, most sellers want a positive experience just as much as most buyers do; good things can and often do happen when people are given a chance and the worst is not simply assumed. I'm glad all worked out in the end for all involved.

 

I like the coin you received better than the 'listing' one, Sean..........

 

I agree. I think it is a 65 solidly. I would keep it, as I have seen thousands of GSA Morgans. I think the one you have now is a keeper. It is much nicer than the one you bid on, frankly. Agree with with what Books said above. Work with the seller. Also agree with Bleuvette, as he is a DMPL expert-- the original coin posted is not DMPL, and not even PL. Submit the one you got to NGC, and I bet that you will be pleasantly surprised.

 

I'll agree with green and morgandude. Looks like a nice clean 65 I like the clean cheek and looks like just luster rubs. One I'd like to see in hand. I'd send it in. I'd rather have a nice clean 65 then a baggy 62 dmpl. My 84 pl is a 64 and much nicer then the coin you bid on and wasn't much more

 

You're going to do just fine in numismatics. Your head's screwed on straight. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

 

Thank you sir, and thanks for everyone's opinions. This is why I posted this thread. It wasn't to say "the seller's a crook", it was more like "look at this surprise, is it a good one?" I think I agree with everyone's statements (except those that think the seller had seven layers open on photoshop).