Help with an Alexander the Great Drachm

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by KSorbo, Oct 26, 2015.

  1. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    This just came in the mail today. Other than NGC's attribution of "Early Posthumous" is there any way to pinpoint more closely the mint, region, time period, etc.? I know that these were minted in many locations over a long period but I'm not sure when the "Early Posthumous" period stopped.

    Also I'm curious about the dark depression on the obverse at 12:00. Is this corrosion, PMD or just the way it was minted?

    Any help would be greatly appreciated!

    Alexander Slab.jpg Alexander Obverse.jpg Alexander Reverse.jpg
     
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  3. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    Looks pretty dang nice for the grade!
     
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  4. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    *sigh*

    :(
     
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  5. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    => the big depression is probably a banker's mark (or at least some random dude verifying that the coin was actually silver)

    There were a lot of counterfeit coins at this time, so the merchants would occasionally make a slit/mark to verify that the coin was actually "real silver" ... the counterfeit coins were lower base metals merely coated in silver (and in those days it really was the metal that was of value)
     
  6. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    That's actually pretty cool considering it was some dude a couple of thousand years ago. With all the wear I wonder who all spent the coin and what they spent it on.
     
  7. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    my guess is whores and vegetables (but I could be wrong)

    ... there was also a lot of seafood available
     
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  8. GregH

    GregH Well-Known Member

    This may be a stupid question, but why doesn't NGC provide the information about the mint, region and time period? I'm not clear what NGC's value-add is here.
     
  9. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    Sometimes they do but in this case whoever had the coin slabbed bought the economy grading which has a less detailed attribution, no weight & size and no strike/surface grade. The value add is that NGC makes some collectors(especially new collectors and those whose focus is more modern coins) feel safer.
     
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  10. GregH

    GregH Well-Known Member

    An 'economy grading' lol
    First time I've heard the term! 'Professional grading' just gets sillier and sillier. It's an industry created to answer a question nobody ever asked.

    Not a criticism of the original poster though - the OP coin is nice, I never tire of admiring the many variations of Alexander coinage.
     
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  11. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    On the plus side, cracking a slab is quite rewarding, especially when you didn't pay for the grading :)
     
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  12. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    I almost want to buy one just to crack it. I've never done it before.
     
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  13. GregH

    GregH Well-Known Member

    I've never had the pleasure of liberating slabbed coins, but I would love to host a De-slabbing Party!
     
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  14. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    It is quite satisfying. A few taps of the hammer and you free the coin.
     
  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The coin could be IDed by looking it up in the standard reference by Martin Price:
    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=price

    The book is out of print and sells for a hefty premium but it has 4100 variations on the theme and is considered worth having if you collect Alexander. I don't.

    Why anyone buys a coin at slab prices without proper ID, I fail to understand. You could have bought one from a full service dealer who might have IDed it for the same price as the plastic box. You might find it by comparing it to coins sold by CNGcoins using the research tool on their site or on acsearch.com but I warn not to assume a match just because it is close. There are a lot of minor details that will change the Price number. This is not the easy answer but it is cheaper than buying the book.

    The really easy answer is to sell the slab to someone who wants a slab and buy an identified raw coin from CNG or any of a hundred other dealers who own Price. I do not recommend removing the coin. Someone will pay for the plastic. We remove coins we want that are not easily found matching our wants.
     
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  16. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I find myself disagreeing with NGC's overgrading of ancients so often, that's it's a surprise to come across a coin I feel is undergraded. That's a VF coin in my book all day long. The detail is far too strong for an F, even a Choice F. Great example of the type.

    As far as the particulars of the attribution, well...many collectors just want a representative type coin, especially when it comes to Alex drachms, and are less interested in specific dates and/or mints.

    I've developed my own grading system, which consists of five tiers: Nope, Good, Fine, Very Fine, and Mighty Fine. The only reason a coin gets Nope is if it's diseased beyond conservation or altered. After that you have Good, simply because no collectible coin is bad. There are pretty clear distinctions between coins in F and VF, but going higher than that becomes quite subjective, and a coin can be Mighty Fine for any number of reasons that have to do with numismatic interest and eye-appeal. I hope that's helpful, and if it isn't, feel free to make up your own grading system - we'll probably like it better than NGC's. :)
     
  17. GregH

    GregH Well-Known Member

    My grading system is:
    - What was I thinking when I bought this?
    - space filler that needs an upgrade
    - irreplaceable!
     
  18. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I've got a few of those, lol.
     
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  19. Aidan_()

    Aidan_() Numismatic Contributor

    That's a nice drachm KS. :D

    Here's my list o' grades:
    1. :vomit::banghead:
    2. :yack::wacky:
    3. ;):cool:
    4. :wideyed::D
    5. :eek::woot:
    I think I need a few more...
     
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  20. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I like your system the best!
     
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  21. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Mostly your posts are interesting and fun. I'm sorry but I don't understand this one (or your previous...sigh).
     
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