Rick Snow could use your help. Stolen coin.

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by ldhair, Jul 19, 2015.

  1. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    Too bad there are not markers to identify thieves. You know, like they only have one hand.

    From @mlov43 ('s) linked article:

    On October 31st, Halloween Day 2014, a hearing was held in the Circuit Court for Baltimore City. Mr. Miller pled guilty to the charges of felony theft. He was sentenced to a five year suspended sentence, a payment of $15,974 in restitution, and a FIVE year ban on attendance at ANY coin or currency show.

    I hope he has learned a lesson from this harsh punishment. Geez, maybe next time we can whip him with a wet noodle.

    Not to diminish Mr. Snow's loss(which I find despicable), I do see a business opportunity.
     
  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. KoinJester

    KoinJester Well-Known Member

    Have you ever been to a large national show? 100k coins are chump change compared to some dealers cases in which if you ask some will let you examine it knowing full well that you won't /can't afford it.
     
    Paul M. likes this.
  4. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    People forget there was a time before the Internet, lol.

    I imagine large shows and large auction houses were the norm for moving high dollar coins prior to the implementation of the interwebz
     
    Andrew Snovell likes this.
  5. sgt23

    sgt23 Active Member

    Sounds like a good way for Mr. Snow too get a lot of free advertisement. I wonder what happen with this story?
     
  6. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    Free? The coin is worth over $100K! I'd hardly call that free publicity.
     
  7. sgt23

    sgt23 Active Member

    That went over your head.
     
    Endeavor, Jdiablo30 and charlietig like this.
  8. Drewnme

    Drewnme New Member

    Assuming it was stolen; it was stolen for a collector's private collection, and not for the value of the coin. A collector would know the rarity of the coin, and would know that it could not be sold on the open market, and a thief would not know the value of the coin unless said thief specialized in stealing rare coins, and again know that it could not be sold. And, finally, the thief is a collector, if the coin was stolen.
     
  9. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    It's understandable for folks to look at something like this from every angle. You have to. I'm sure Rick had to do the same. It would be tough trying to remember everything that went on at the table at a show this large.
    Rick is one of the good guys with no question of his honesty. The goal of this thread and those on other forums was simple. The coin needs to be spotted if it hits the market. With a loss this large, I'm happy if Rick gets a little advertisement out of it.
     
    KoinJester and sgt23 like this.
  10. sgt23

    sgt23 Active Member

    Has he got it back yet?
     
  11. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    Sorry, Rick, to hear of a brazen thief, who thinks will get away with this. I hope they are caught. Bare with me on this.
    They did this, one, because they more than likely had a buyer looking for this type of coin or, they, themselves, wanted the coin for their collection.
    Two, they know to crack it open, at a later date and have it graded again, but this will be later down the road, probably years once the story dies down. I saw a comment by one of the others that there are around 20 of these known. Question, is that an exact number, or could there be more maybe less, and I assume these graded ones?
    Never a perfect science, everyone can guess the number of 1864 L's but do we all know ? My point, they will wait, time is on their side unless they are just plain stupid and try to sell it or have it re-appraised, then they are busted. Hope that does happen soon.
    In today's society I even thought, high value, slabbed pieces should have chips installed in the casing to protect against thief. Sounds like a lot but for valued items wouldn't you want to pay extra knowing your investment would always be safe ? I'm sure PCGS, NGC and the rest could create something that could fit inside the case.
    Anyway all the best and hope the little punks get caught.
     
    sgt23 likes this.
  12. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I don't think there has been anymore information posted on it.
     
    sgt23 likes this.
  13. sgt23

    sgt23 Active Member

    Okay thanks!
     
  14. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    The grading services would catch it if someone sent it in. Coins like this don't show up all that often.
     
  15. sgt23

    sgt23 Active Member

    I think 20 was just for the normal 1864 cent, the 1864 L IHC has less than that if I'm not mistaken. If the person who stole it was smart they would have an overseas buyer.
     
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2015
    bear32211 likes this.
  16. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

  17. charlietig

    charlietig Well-Known Member

    I still fail to believe how he "lost" that coin, if it were me, I'd have the Secret Service standing next to it.... a $135,000 dollar coin should have the utmost security
     
  18. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Don't know how many big shows like this you go to. $100k coins aren't common, but they are common enough that plenty of collectors and dealers will have coins in this range at a large show.
     
  19. charlietig

    charlietig Well-Known Member

    Never said they can't have these type of coins there, but I fail to see how security, let alone the dealers fail to keep an eye on a coin with that magnitude.... I offer no sympathy, that's his own fault.
     
  20. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Be careful. Your young age is showing. You don't have enough details to be blaming the victim of a crime. There is a good possibility that a member of the FBI was working the booth with Rick. Yes it's clear that security failed but the details are not clear and for good reason.
     
  21. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Regardless of who you choose to blame, for coins like that I think it would be prudent to get those cameras and use them. They are a lot cheaper than most any unc Indian.
     
    Coin-Dude likes this.
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page