1884-O Morgan Dollar PCGS MS63 OGH On Fire Obverse Toning

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  1. kolnikov

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    I see purple! I am starting to like this coin more and more.
     
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  3. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Me too, it's a very nice one. Nature took its time with this one.
     
  4. john41

    john41 Toned coins, I like them. If I have it so can you.

    I understand in lower grades this is a common Morgan. This one is PCGS MS63 in an OGH and I think it could get a 64 for eye appeal and current market acceptable grading. The toning on this is not common though, if you think it is please show me some more as nice as this one currently listed. I understand that this is not one of the common rainbow toned Morgans that many like but it is still desirable. Every person has what they like and do not like and you would not be a buyer on this one as it is not appealing to you. I have see common $75.00 Morgans sell at 3000.00+ because of toning so really anything is possible. Toned Morgans are hot right now so If I were to sell it I would expect 800+ for it as I have already been offered that on the lower end. That being said the right venue would be needed to sell it most likely GC as they do a good job with toned coins. I might be sending my icon coin into them soon but don't know as I love the color on it.
     
  5. john41

    john41 Toned coins, I like them. If I have it so can you.

    There are some cool thin die cracks that run left to right in the lower hair. I have had an issue imaging them as i can not get enough of a shadow to highlight them. Going to try again later tonight.
     
  6. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Dude, if someone seriously offered you $800+ for that, take the money and run.
     
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  7. john41

    john41 Toned coins, I like them. If I have it so can you.

    You are entitled to your opinion and I appreciate it. If I were to sell it why would I take the lower amount of offers I have received for it? No need to answer that as the answer is clear.
     
  8. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    To show you I'm not just blowing smoke (well, you've made up your mind. Let me rephrase: to educate the rest of the board): these are the only coins that have sold for more than $500 on Heritage. Yours is nice, sure, but isn't in the same league as these. I misunderstood your previous post about the offers - if someone offered you even more than $800, that would make the decision even easier. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying your coin isn't nice (it really is). Its just not as nice as plenty of others out there:

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  9. john41

    john41 Toned coins, I like them. If I have it so can you.

    Thank you for posting the common rainbow toned coins I was talking about. My coin would go to a collector who collect outside the norm. If we were talking about normal rainbow toned Morgans I would have the same opinion as you but obviously my coin is different. The difference is what I asked you to show so as pricing could be supported with past sales, you posted coins in a different toning pattern. I do thank you for your opinion again as all opinions are valued. I would ask though if you are going to argue a point with me you fully read my posts as it will make it easier and reduce the need to cover the same information again. As for Heritage I would not sell a toned Morgan through them as their fees are to high and final realized pricing is less than optimal. Great Collections is a much better venue for the sale of Toned Morgans.
     
  10. john41

    john41 Toned coins, I like them. If I have it so can you.

  11. john41

    john41 Toned coins, I like them. If I have it so can you.

    Now this one at 1057.00 is outside the norm and blue, I love blue coins.
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  12. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    About $200 at the most. It's not even in the same class as the other coins posted in this thread. The small amount of color around part of the edge is not enough. It's really pretty but not what you think.
     
  13. john41

    john41 Toned coins, I like them. If I have it so can you.

    Thank you for your opinion Larry, it is appreciated. The coin is exactly what I think it is though, a Morgan dollar that is not toned the same as all the standard rainbow toned Morgans as I have stated numerous times.
     
  14. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Whatever, man. You have fun. You obviously know more than the rest of us. Enjoy.
     
  15. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Everyone can see it's not toned the same and that's the problem. Coins with really nice rainbow toning are the ones that bring the big bucks. Your coin does not have that look. Please show us what coins that look like yours have sold for.
     
  16. john41

    john41 Toned coins, I like them. If I have it so can you.

    I did not one time say I knew more than you nor was I rude in any way. I just did not agree with you right away. I also told you I valued your opinion and that is exactly what it is an opinion. My viewpoint on the coin is the same an opinion. I do not understand why my opinion would bother you so much. I have represented the coin exactly as it is a Morgan dollar toned differently than the standard rainbow toned Morgan dollar. If you disagree with this that is your choice. I also provided to you some Morgan dollars that are toned differently than the normal rainbow toned Morgan dollars so you could see the pricing. Being that you are an author of a book I would think (just my opinion) that you would want examples that are closer to the subject matter being discussed. Providing different examples than what is being discussed is not productive, like posting images of dimes in a quarter thread.
    Again thank you for your opinion, it is valued.
     
  17. john41

    john41 Toned coins, I like them. If I have it so can you.

    I provided a link and even an image of some Morgans that are toned differently than the rainbow toned morgans that brought significantly higher money than those provided by physics-fan3.14. You have the same ability as the rest of us to look at Heritage, ebay, Stacks, Great Collections if it is that important to you to prove that nicely toned Morgans that are not the same as the rainbow toned morgans for a given date sell for less. My contention is that there are collectors who appreciate a toned coin that is not just like everyone else's coin that they have. Some people do like being different than the mainstream in their collecting and that is what makes this hobby great along with the comradery and understanding offered by other collectors.
    Again thank you for your opinion, it is valued.
     
  18. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Pricing a toned Morgan can be tricky. There are a lot of factors that go into it. I highly encourage you to read this link several times. When you have finished, read it again: http://www.jhonecash.com/coins/tonedmorgans.asp

    Maybe you will begin to understand what I am trying to say.
     
  19. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Actually I thought you were trying to prove it. It's not important to me but I did look around for a while before posting my opinion. I hope I'm wrong.
    Wish you luck.
     
  20. john41

    john41 Toned coins, I like them. If I have it so can you.

    You are making the assumption (you know the saying about that) that I don't understand what you are saying, I do. My opinion is just different than yours, you may not be used to having people think differently than you or challenge your opinion but it will happen at times. No opinion is absolute as they are just opinions just like the numerical grade we have other people tell us about our coins. I have disagreed many times with that given grade and have been right significantly more than wrong. We can continue to argue and have it look like a trolling argument with you subtly demeaning me or we can move on. I have read the information in the link you have provided many times in the past as well as had discourse with the original owner of the Sunnywood toned Morgan dollar collection (one of the best toned Morgan dollar collections ever collected) and even in that set you will see some coins that are not the common rainbow toned Morgans that everyone gets. Some collectors are more independent and less sheeple, I am more independent and eclectic in my collecting.
    Also please note that I stated I was offered more than $800.00 dollars for this coin by someone who does not collect the same thing everyone else has. Also, notice I did not sell my coin nor do I have intentions of doing so at this time. I have other coins that will be going to auction like my very beautiful 1911 MPLincoln.
    Again thank you for your opinion it is most inciteful and received with the warmest regard.
     
  21. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I think you were looking for "insightful."
     
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