1970 s double die?

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  1. Tasyia

    Tasyia Member

    1970 s large date I believe? Which looks to have doubling on the "970" and "S" mint mark. If so what is the coin worth? Are they pretty common? also does anyone know approximately how much it would cost to send it in to get professionally checked? image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg Thanks in advance!
     
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  3. eric6794

    eric6794 Well-Known Member

    the "doubled" part to me looks like it is flat so that means that it is machine doubled aka shelf doubling which carries no extra value in the coin market some people may pay a little extra for it if they want it bad enough. Im not an expert but know some things about error coins ,maybe someone else will chime in.
     
  4. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    The proper term is Doubled Die not Double - quote "Note that the proper terminology for this occurrence includes the letter 'd' at the end of the first word, hence "doubled die". The term "double die" without the first word ending in 'd' is not proper numismatic terminology" closed quote
    I want to share this webpage with you - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubled_die
     
  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Hint:

    Since the mintmark is punched into the die separately from the rest of the devices, when you see the (here) date & MM 'doubled' the same amount, then it must be machine/strike doubling.
     
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  6. ken454

    ken454 Well-Known Member

    spender, toss it in the copper bucket...
     
  7. phankins11

    phankins11 Well-Known Member

    Frank that's one of the best hints I've ever heard regarding machine doubling VS. a true doubled die.

    I know this doesn't work for more modern stuff, but its a great nugget of knowledge.
     
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  8. tomfiggy

    tomfiggy Well-Known Member

    The other thing is even though the doubling is radical, and attractive, you can clearly see that the doubled part is at a lower elevation, with a flat shelflike surface (not rounded or curved like the stronger lettering on top).
     
  9. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    That is the easiest way to view a coin and immediately know MD vs DDO.

    Best answer?

    :)
     
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  10. phankins11

    phankins11 Well-Known Member

    ah ha! I didnt even think about that...you got it now!
     
  11. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    I would give a best answer if all doubled mint marks were machine doubled. I agree it is a good indication of machine doubling, but not all doubled mint marks are machine doubled.
     
  12. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    He didn't say "all doubled mintmarks"...

    The latter part of the above quote, with the word "and" in particular, is the key here. Other than arguably word, he is correct; it was a fine hint and one worthy of a "best answer" (in my most humble opinion).
     
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  13. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    You and I may understand that, but to a novice, it could very well lead to confusion.

    http://koinpro.tripod.com/VarietiesUS/1970S1cRPM01ArW.jpg
    One of the Top 100 RPMs known to exist.
     
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  14. john41

    john41 Toned coins, I like them. If I have it so can you.

  15. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    In no way am I disputing your conclusion on the OP's coin, but it's only fair to point out that there are a number of DDOs for this date/mint, although the one you linked is the most significant and well-known.

    http://doubleddie.com/452412.html
     
  16. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    It has already led to me becoming confused... I wasn't aware the linked RPM was also a doubled die, nor have I, thus far, been able to find any independent mention of it being one.
     
  17. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    What's confusing about a RPM coin with machine doubling? Just saying there are exceptions to the stated rule.
     
  18. Omegaraptor

    Omegaraptor Gobrecht/Longacre Enthusiast

    First post!
    I see doubling near the date and MM but nowhere else. So it must be machine doubling, which is considered damage because it happens after the coin is struck. Some people might pay a little extra because of the oddity, but don't expect to *usually* get any more than market value for a machine-doubled coin.
     
  19. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    What's confusing about it, Hommer, is that we seem to be talking about, at least two some extent, two different things. You are, of course, right in that a genuine RPM can certainly display strike doubling on the date, but Treashunt was also correct in saying that a coin (from this era) that displays "doubling" on both the date and mintmark, with similar (for lack of a better term) "spreads" in the same direction are almost always strike doubling.
     
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