PROBUS PIVS, unusual obv. legend

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by seth77, Sep 12, 2015.

  1. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Probus is known for multiple bust types and legends, many which although unusual for the era, are quite usual for Probus.
    This legend is quite unusual for Probus, although understated:

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    PROBUS AE24mm 3.8g billon Aurelian/Antoninian (VF+, deposits)

    AV: IMP C M AVR PROBVS PIVS AVG; radiate, draped, wearing trabea holding eagle-tipped scepter bust l.

    REV: VIRTVS PROBI AVG; emperor galloping right, spearing kneeled enemy whose shield lies beneath horse.

    EXE: KA·A·

    REF: RIC V-2 880var, unlisted mintmark, rather rare, 4th emission of Serdica mint, 1st officina, 277AD.
    ex. G & N Numismatik, Munich, DE.
     
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  3. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Very nice and much sought after with the full PIVS AVG instead of the P AVG.
     
  4. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    I can offer no additional commentary on the obverse legend, I do love the reverses depicting the horseback emperor spearing the enemy.
     
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  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Good detail. I would buy one like this.
     
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  6. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Very nice!
     
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  7. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    wowzer seth => man, that's a sweet lookin' coin (very cool, congrats)
     
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  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Don't ever think you have seen all there is to offer in Probus. Martin and Seth have some really unusual ones youdon't see every day but there are some you don't see every decade. Who has the horsehead? ....the Vota shield? ....Calliope? Not I for sure!
     
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  9. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Fantastic coin Seth. I love the sharp details and the portrait type is very interesting!
     
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  10. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    The portrait is rather common for Probus, what's rather rare is the obverse legend. But what's even rarer than a Probus PIVS is a Florian PIVS:

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  11. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice find and addition, Seth.
     
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  12. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I answer to your question Doug, Nor I.

    I have long abandoned any hope of chasing some of the more exotic Probus coins. A Horsehead will set you back $1,000+ with one in 2012 selling for $2,500+. A VOT shield is a mere $600+ with examples breaking $2,200 if you want grade and silvering. A Calliope will go for anywhere between $2,500 to over $8,000.

    Desirable legends such as the PIVS here can go for as little as $50 are generally around $150 but can go upwards from there are more achievable. but change them to BONO, PERPETVO or DEO ET DOMINO legends and the price shoots up though there are the odd sleepers out there.

    I would settle for getting what would be a normal bust at most mints (Bust Type H - Trabea and Secptre) from Lugdunum but can expect any examples I see to be $1,000+.

    I will carry on trudging in the background buying coins I like, looking for something interesting hoping nobody else spots it. The problem is that there are more people out there spotting them too.
     
  13. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Thanks to the double-edged sword of coin forums :D.
     
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  14. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

  15. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    very nice winner here :D
     
  16. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Sometimes it is the small details that make a coin scarcer. One of these is scarce, the other is rare. Does anybody know why or even care?

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  17. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    At first glance I think both are scarce, as the consular holding scepter bust right is considerably less seen than its left version.
     
  18. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

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  19. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Martin => man, I like them both ...

    => the obverse (with eagle-scepter) and the reverse (with sweet quadriga) are both total winners!!

    :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    ... ummm, but I can't tell which one is the rare example (one has a couple of extra letters, PF?)
     
  20. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Both coins come from Serdica. The second coin has Gamma in exe and comes from a rare issue with Greek officina marks running alongside the scarce/rare latin marks of P, S and T is the 3rd issue.

    Here is my Delta marked coin with the normal consular bust.

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  21. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    Has someone got the spread quadriga with the clouds, I don't know whether it is rare or not.
     
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