1943 Canadian Fifty Cent Piece

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  1. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    This coin also has the Near 3 and the Double Die 3 too .. $_57-1-horz.jpg $_57-1-horz.jpg
     
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  3. Nevadabell

    Nevadabell A picture of me.

    I'd say this coin would pass for MS-64 in any grading company, possibly even a MS-65.
     
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  4. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

  5. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Not sure if you are asking for us to guess the grade, or just showing off a new piece.

    I'd grade it 63.

    I don't see the doubling on the 3, all I see is a little MD.

    Congrats on the purchase! It appears to be an attractive coin.
     
  6. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I don't see any doubling either , maybe a closer pic would help but it seem like MD like physics fan said . Hope I'm wrong though .
     
  7. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Heres an image of the doubled area from coins and canada site 50-cents-1943-double-die-3-1943.jpg Heres the coin, when I receive it I'll take new images http://www.ebay.com/itm/121587182327?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
     
  8. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Yes, I saw the pictures in your link. To my eye, they don't match the pictures of your coin.
     
  9. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Beautiful coin Rick........:)
     
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  10. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    The image on coins and canada isn't to good . When I receive the coin I'll photo the date and send the image to coins and canada to hopefully add to their site . Heres a 1959 hanging 9, canadian cent I added to their images . The one they had showing was as bad as that image . A015 - 20130107_085213 - Copy (3).jpg
     
  11. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Much improved pic , the other pic they had on the doubled 3 was almost worthless .
     
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  12. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    I agree
     
  13. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

  14. Bill in Burl

    Bill in Burl Collector

    Rick: You posted the same query on the CinC site. I said that I'd get the 50 cent guru to answer you, but his reistration has not been OK'd yet. Here is what he told me to pass:

    "The term 'Double Die' as used by ICCS is a result of a Charlton definition to denote a reverse or obverse that had a doubled letter or number on it. There are over 20 1943 reverses that have a double or triple punched 3 that fit this definition. I have seen several being used on ICCS holders. Several of these were 3/3s can be found in the Variety section of Charlton's 68th.

    'Double Die' is somewhat confusing as it is close to 'Doubled Die', but they mean two different things ….… 'Doubled Die' refers to a die with hub-doubling."

    Paul has written the complete bible for 50 cents and it was his work that was in the Charlton variety section, but Charlton can't put everything in those 50-60 pages at the back. Paul has everything and can tell you exactly what you have. I'll give you his email. Send me a PM. B
     
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  15. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Thanks Bill, this is a early post, thats why I took it to CinC with the message I sent, I also sent lightw4re the same message . please tell him to Send the email over there ( CinC ) . Thanks again Bill ...
     
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  16. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    UPDATE:

    A lot has happen since I received this coin, it will be a new variety and the number is: R444d9 ...

    Heres the old sheet with all the variety numbers:


    1943 Mintage: 3,109,583 Mint-reported Obverse/Reverse Dies: 168/118
    For 1943, the ‘4’ and ‘3’ vary in both horizontal and vertical position in respect to each other and to a fixed ‘19’.
    The ‘Flat-back 9’ continues.
    Starting in 1943, approximately half of the dies were chrome plated to increase die life. The appearance of the coins changed from having a satiny finish to a more polished appearance for those from the chrome-plated dies. The chrome-plating in early years had a tendency to peel, leaving a ‘mortar-set’ or shelf on the coins, which can be found on Obverses and/or Reverses.
    1943 was also the first year of extensive Reverse Die refurbishment, with over twenty Reverse dies with date digit doubling (re-punched or double-punched).
    Most coins with a double-punched date digit, also exhibit tool (file) marks, some quite heavy, resulting from clean-up performed on dies before use.
    Reverse Major Die Varieties.
    Var Zoell Charlton Date Variety and Description

    J444a R3E3H SPA: High 3
    J444b R2L1E SPA: Low 3
    J444c 4M/47 R0E1E SPA: Narrow Date
    J444c1 68/186 F1E0H SPA: Another Narrow Date
    J444d 4M/47 68/186 R3E2H SPA: Wide Date
    J444d1 F2L3E SPA: Another Wide Date
    R444a 4M/47 R2E1H RPD: 3/3 top loop of 3. Later die states
    exhibit FL444s.
    R444a1 61/371m R2E3H RPD: 3/3 top of top loop of 3
    R444a2 68/304m F1E1H RPD: 3/3 top of top loop of 3
    R444a3 61/374b R1E0H RPD: 3/3 Similar to R444a2, tip of 3 close to 4
    R444a4 R2E1H RPD: 3/3 at top left of 3
    R444b 4M/47 68/302t F2L1H RPD: 3/3 inside top loop of 3
    R444b1 61/369m R2H1H RPD: 3/3 inside top loop of 3
    Heavy Tool-marks (file) evident on die.
    R444c 4M/47 68/302m R2E2H RPD: 3/3 inside top and bottom loops of 3. Later
    Die states have the Clash Marks filed out.
    R444d 4M/47 68/303b R1L1H RPD: 3/3 right of top loop of 3. Later die
    states have Clash Marks in crown filed out.
    R444d1 68/304t R0E1H RPD: 3/3 right top loop of 3
    R444d2 61/373t F2E2H RPD: 3/3 right top loop of 3 – Flat-back 9
    R444d3 68/305t F3L2H RPD: 3/3 right top loop of 3
    Heavy Tool-marks (file) evident on die.
    R444d4 68/305m R2L2H RPD: 3/3 right top loop of 3 Later die states
    exhibit F444n/F444o
    R444d5 68/302b R2E3H RPD: 3/3 right top loop of 3
    Die also exhibits peeled chrome plating.
    R444d6 61/374m R1E1H RPD: 3/3 right top loop 3
    R444d7 R1E1H RPD: 3/3 right of top loop of 3
    Die deterioration of date, but the double
    punch image is clean
    R444d8 R1E1H RPD: 3/3 right top loop of 3. Die chip on top 3
    R444e 4M/47 68/303m R2E2H RPD: 3/3/3 inside and outside of top loop of 3
    R444g F1E1H RPD: 3/3 right of top/bottom loops of 3. Slight
    4/4 right of 4. Tool-marks (file) evident.
    R444h 68/301 R1L1E RPD: 3/3 inside top / outside bottom loops of 3
    R444j 68/303t R2L1H RPD: 3/3 left/right top loop, right bottom loop
    R444k R2E2E RPD: 4/4 to top right of 4.
    R444m F2E2H RPD: 3/3 right of top loop, left of top left tip
     
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