Questionable Color - any experience resubmitting?

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  1. razorblaydesjr

    razorblaydesjr Active Member

    I have recently acquired a PCGS certified coin that is Details - QC. Has anyone had success resubmitting to get a straight grade? Cracked and resubmitted raw? Sent it back in the slab and asked for it to be reconsidered? Submitted to another TPG?

    Just curious if anyone of you guys has had success doing this. I'm fine keeping the coin in a Details holder if that's what it comes to. I purchased it for less than the avg realized auction for MS60 Details, so I'm in it at the right price.

    Thanks guys for any information.
     
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  3. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Depends what the coin looks like. Perhaps the color is just wrong. Ever consider why you were able to get it so cheaply? What are you trying to accomplish by submitting it again?
     
  4. razorblaydesjr

    razorblaydesjr Active Member

    Getting it straight graded. I picked it up at a good price because I'm a good negotiator. It was a 2 month long negotiation. The value changes from about $3,000 to about $8,000 at MS63 straight grade. So there's a nice chunk of motivation there.

    The color looks normal to me, but obviously someone at PCGS saw something to give it QC. I also know that there's some inconsistency with this and would like some advice if there's a way of successfully resubmitting.

    Thanks again.
     
  5. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    I can't give any advice without seeing the coin. If it is QC, it will remain QC.
     
  6. razorblaydesjr

    razorblaydesjr Active Member

    I have seen multiple example of AT and QC coins being resubmitted and receiving a straight grade. So it is not an impossibility.

    I would like to know if anyone has had any experience doing this. If they do, then I'm hoping they will share their process.

    @Kirkuleez, I will PM you photos.

    Thanks,
     
  7. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I have tried this with about 10 different coins over the years with PCGS. All were Seated coins. Mostly dimes. I would only send one at a time in with 8 or 10 other coins. Never did get a straight grade. Always thought I might slide one by but it never happened. There is one good thing. Now they come back in a slab instead of just a flip.
     
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  8. NSP

    NSP Well-Known Member

    If you do feel the urge to send it back in, sending it back in the QC slab for reconsideration will greatly decrease the chances of it grading straight.
     
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  9. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    Post some pics!
     
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  10. razorblaydesjr

    razorblaydesjr Active Member

    I would love to, but you never know who's surfing the board.
     
  11. Bedford

    Bedford Lackey For Coin Junkies

    I've had many IHC go from no grade PCGS to Straight grade NGC . If I had to put a percent on it I'd say about 35% . But that's with me knowing and throwing the Hail Mary out there to get it in plastic.
     
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  12. robec

    robec Junior Member

    I've resubmitted several over the past two or three years. Some I've had to resubmit more than once, but for the most part all have eventually graded. I always crack them out of the problem slab.
     
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  13. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I rarely do this, but have succeeded every time I felt positive the coin in the QT holder was really natural . . . only a few times. If I thought I needed a little luck on my side, I didn't bother.
     
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  14. Jaelus

    Jaelus The Hungarian Antiquarian Supporter

    Both NGC and PCGS have gotten significantly tougher on this lately. I wouldn't try it again unless that trend changes.
     
  15. charlietig

    charlietig Well-Known Member

    Then why even bother with a post? If your not gonna provide pics, we cannot provide answers.
     
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  16. razorblaydesjr

    razorblaydesjr Active Member

    That's not a true statement. The others before your post were helpful... without photos.

    Next time please provide some information/suggestions or just don't reply if it's a misplaced negative comment. Thanks.
     
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  17. mill rat41

    mill rat41 Member

    I have tried with a Pilgram Half. Allegedly the coin was sitting in a Wayte Raymond folder since the 1950's. PCGS called it cleaned, NGC called it AT, then PCGS called it QC. Someday, if I can do it cheaply enough, I may try again.
     
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  18. razorblaydesjr

    razorblaydesjr Active Member

    Well it sounds like they can't figure it out! QC is better than Cleaning, in my eyes atleast.

    I just don't understand how a cleaning goes away, lol. It's either cleaned or it's not cleaned. I'm sure you resubmitted because you also thought it wasn't cleaned and PCGS got it wrong. PCGS agreed with you, but couldn't make up their minds completely, so they slapped QC on it. Maybe 4th time's a charm! Good luck if you decide to do it again.
     
  19. robec

    robec Junior Member

    A lot of times it just depends on which group of graders are working. My understanding is that one group will be in house for a specific period of time, then are relieved by another group.
    I'm not sure how many groups of graders they have, but different groups may see things differently from others. Where some may see toning as questionable, others don't. It's all based on opinions.

    This coin just came back from grading with a QC. I was a little stunned since I have at least four with very similar toning and color that have graded problem free.
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    Others with passing grades - All PCGS PR66RB

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  20. razorblaydesjr

    razorblaydesjr Active Member

    Bob, those are beauties! It's a shame that your last one was designated QC. Thank you for your input as well.
     
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  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The point is this, yes it is common for a coin to get a clean grade after being previously designated a problem coin. Most people know this already.

    What they don't know is what your coin looks like, so they can offer no help in saying whether or not "your coin" would be a likely candidate. You see, knowing that it happens isn't enough. That's because it happens depending on what a given coin looks like. So to know if "your coin" stands a chance - we'd have to see it before we can offer a meaningful opinion.
     
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