Just a quick Guess the Grade; first 2 photos from the seller, other 2 were mine. Also, does it look proof-like to anyone and are there any of these known that are prooflike? (@physics-fan3.14) Thank you!
Beautiful coin. Kinda sad what happened to the native Hawaiian people. They got screwed out of their own country.
I'm going to guess it's a 64. It does look quite PL in the first two photos, so much so that I considered calling this a Proof 64. Very nice.
Very well struck coin , wish I could see the luster better . More like survival of the better armed .
I'm going to guess 63 on yours. It appears to have a nice amount of prooflikeness, not sure if it fully qualifies (almost impossible to tell from pictures). The Hawaiian coins sometimes come with semi-prooflike fields, usually the earliest strikes. I'm having trouble pulling up the census right now, so I'm not sure if any quarters have been designated. I know that I've seen at least one half dollar with a PL, so they do exist.
That isn't PL for the 1883 coins. Too many hits. In hand, I suspect you're also looking at some loss of matte (I don't know how else to say that) on Kamehameha's head. I'd guess AU55/58. As for the Kingdom of Hawaii, without making this too political, like most island cultures/societies, they would be genetically doomed to be controlled/conquered by larger empires that traveled more. The main reason has to do with genetic adaptation and different viruses and diseases that would be introduced with increased visitor traffic. Also, on a side note, living in Hawaii, you learn to accept that if the US didn't make Hawaii a territory, the Japanese, Koreans or Taiwanese would have during one of their expansionary periods.
I agree that the coin has some hits, but I've seen Morgans with a lot more marks that get the dmpl designation. It is hard to fully capture a true representation of the coin, but in hand it looks different from most business strikes that I have seen (even in this series).
Without going into too much detail, I've never seen a PL designation on an AU coin. Beyond that, often times, collectors forget that a few light strikes on a dime will affect the grade a lot more than the same number of strikes on a dollar coin. In this specific case, while a Morgan dollar may look similar to the Hawaii quarter, you're likely over-compensating for the size of the coin. I think our brains do this naturally when focusing on smaller images. Essentially, this makes us think an AU58 quarter should be an MS62/63, based upon how an MS63 Morgan looks. Just remember, hits hurt grades more on smaller fields, and it doesn't help that there's some rub on the beard. That probably forced the grader to push the coin from the MS61 to the AU58 range.
That is a good point about the size of the coin affecting the grade. As to AU coins being pl, it does happen at the major TPGs. I have seen a few. Here is an example on a smaller sized coin: http://www.usrarecoininvestments.co...e-dollar-gold-ngc-au58-pl-cac-38031_222_d.htm
I should have clarified: I've never seen a PL designation on non-gold AU coins. Gold is soft enough that it's entirely possible that there might be circulation rub on the highest points without any evidence of circulation in the fields or lower points. I can't imagine that happening with harder metals, such as silver or nickel. Additionally, gold coins wouldn't be circulated as often as other coins, so I can certainly see the potential for AU58 PL coinage. On a separate note, I don't imagine the US Mint going out of its way to polish the dies used for Hawaiian coinage, and I would guess that the "highest quality" (whatever makes one better than another) planchets would be used on US coins, as opposed to a foreign nation's coins. The combination of these factors seem to make it less likely that there'd be a prevalence of PL Hawaii coins, let alone AU PL Hawaii coins.
Very nice Hawaiian coin! I almost never see these. And this is happily one of the more affordable types, too... inspires my wallet to spew funds... whoa boy... whoa...
I have. Many times. I don't own any because circulation will tend to impede the mirrors. I prefer a higher grade so that the mirrors can be clearly seen. However, I've seen multiple coins as low as AU-53 with the PL designation by NGC. Perusing the Heritage archives will reveal at least a few. The one I remember best was a CBH, and I was trying to buy it but it surpassed my budget.
Interesting. Just checked Heritage. Seems to be somewhat commonplace for large field pieces (Morgan Dollars).
