Anyone Want to Translate My Coin?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Ancientnoob, Aug 31, 2015.

  1. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I agree-- great images, Noob!!
     
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  3. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    @dltsrq Most excellent. Thanks for your time and expertise. I am really trying to get a better grip on Islamic coins as they represent a good chunk of numismatic history.

    So then it is true the coin is large beautiful and Double RARE!!!!
     
  4. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

  5. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Hey Noob, that's a very cool new addition!! (coingrats, brother!!)

    Islamic, Anatolia & al-Jazira, AE Dirhem, etc, etc, etc ...

    1170-1180 AD (1171/2)
    Young male with winged figures & 5 lines of text

    Islamic Anatolia & al-Jazira.jpg

    :woot::rolleyes:

    ... pretty cool 3/4-facing dude, eh?

    Hmmm, what do you think those winged creatures are carrying?

    Answer => Draped young male bust facing slightly left, wearing hair in foreknot

    :D
     
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  6. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

    One small correction. I inadvertently added the word "alone" to the obverse (sometimes the case but not here). Nice catch for a bit over melt!
     
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  7. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Ha - I never would have known!! I do have another of this ruler in silver.

    31 mm x 7.45 grams. Mint of Balkh

    KwarzmC.jpg
     
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  8. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    @dltsrq I also wanted to acknowledge the awesomeness of your avatar.

    Looks like we hang in the same circles...

    KhingilaAD420-440.jpg
     
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  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    No disrespect, but that bust kinda reminds me of an Angry Zippy! :)
     
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  10. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    20150904_105712.jpg I showed a pic of the coin to a friend at work who speaks Arabic, but is not a coin collector. His translation is attached.
     
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  11. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    very cool coin and thanks for the translation.

    keep that guy at work handy, we'll need him again. :)

    these are my "text only" islamic coins....

    ottoman
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    muwahid calphate
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    qarakhanid

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  12. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    I bought two coins with Arabic text and he translated both. One had Hindi text on one side! I will ask him to translate.
     
  13. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Please thank your friend for me.
     
  14. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

    What is being read above as "king of the muslims" is actually امير المومنين (amir al-mu'minin) or "commander of the faithful", a title given to the caliph (in this case, al-Nasir) and, in context on this coin, a part of the sultan's honorific title برهان امير المومنين (burhan amir al-mu'minin) or "proof of the commander of the faithful". The word usually translated into English as "king" is ملك (malik). "King of the muslims" therefore would be ملك المسلمين (malik al-muslimin), something unlikely to be found on a medieval Islamic coin.
     
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  15. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Do you consider the date unreadable? The last digit is still a mystery, 61x?
     
  16. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

    @Ancientnoob Unfortunately, yes. The date, written out in words anti-clockwise, is in the margin of the right-hand image. At about 7 o'clock we have the word سنة (sanat) "year", a flat spot at 6 o'clock, then from 5 o'clock عشرة وست مئة ('ashrat wa sitt mi'at) "ten and six hundred". The flat spot is where the digit was in the die. If the date were 610, there would be no space for a flat spot. It also can not be 618 or 619 as those dates belong to the following reign.
     
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  17. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Well thanks! That narrows it down alot now it can only 611-617. I'm cool with a 6 yr spread on an 800 yr old coin.
     
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