Old gold!

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  2. Teddydogno1

    Teddydogno1 Well-Known Member

    Wow! More finds from the 1715 Fleet Wreck. 9 Royals worth $300k each!

    Rob
     
  3. NSP

    NSP Well-Known Member

    I wonder how long it will take Spain to try to lay claim to it...
     
  4. Blissskr

    Blissskr Well-Known Member

    I'd like to find one gold coin let alone that many. Must be a rush when finding them underwater and realizing you've found a hoard.
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  5. Brian Calvert

    Brian Calvert Active Member

    There is a lot more found then ever reported. I am 15 miles from there, don't spend much time at the beach, but do know a guy that has found coin there. This CREW is paid or has bought rights to look and has to give up a lot of the find. It is screwed up if you ask me, but as it is, someone has the rights to it. Anything found belongs to them, so many go out, find it and never say nothing, sell it later. Especially in the condo area of north jetty. There are several guys that live in the condos, have little inflatables or plastic canoes go out 100 yards to the reef and oxygen line diving... They can't stop you, but if you reported finding something they would take it. The great USA... Sorry guy, that belongs to a rich man.
     
  6. Brett_in_Sacto

    Brett_in_Sacto Well-Known Member

    It seems that if they really wanted their gold - they should have financed the search and recovery project.

    The ancient Chinese philosopher Confucius once said:

    Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers...

    (Ok, maybe that was the kid next door when I was a child - but it crosses genre!)

    The worst is the IRS with their hand out asking for HALF of everything - and no risk on their part to justify the reward.
     
  7. Brian Calvert

    Brian Calvert Active Member

    No one can't just finance and search. Go out there with a boat right now and some serious equipment, you will get shut down. That is why guys do it alone. Only the companies with "the rights" are allowed to search.
     
  8. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Salvaged stuff still belongs to the heirs and assigns of whoever lost it.

    Drop a dollar coin on the beach, it's still yours, and you pick it up. Drop it in the surf and you may or may not find it but it's still yours. The practicalities of getting it back from some body builder type who finds it first I leave to you, but it is still your coin.

    You might be the Spanish government and you'd still own the wrecked treasure from 300 years ago. The practicalities of retrieving it are the tough part, but you'd do a deal with a salvor to share the wealth if any could be recovered, rather than getting nothing.

    Just like you asking an even bigger body builder to get your dollar back for a 50c share. It's 50c against nothing.

    Later wrecks were often covered by insurance, and in these cases, the insurers pay out and own the lost cargo. In most cases, the salvage is worthless, a shipload of turnips is a write off, but if you insured the 'Lutine', you'd still want to be in with a chance at recovering your loss, or some of it.

    It's no more a conspiracy of fat cats claiming everything that anything else is. Stuff is still owned, it's just that the owners can't get at it without help. Anything taken without the permission of the owner is theft.

    Apart from the cash value of retrieved cash, artifacts can be valuable, and are also covered by agreements.
    Most national governments will claim default possession of otherwise ownerless (owners untracable or extinct) wrecks in their waters, and finally, some wrecks are designated as war graves, where there are unrecovered bodies the ship is treated as a tomb. You'd not want a gang of scrap metal dealers cutting up the USS Arizona, yet some seem in favour of looting other ships.
     
  9. pennsteve

    pennsteve Well-Known Member

    Just kick the body builder in the nads and take back your dollar. Then run. No need to give half to a bigger body builder. ;)
     
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  10. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Just kick the body builder in the nads and take back your dollar. Then run. No need to give half to a bigger body builder

    My experience of body-builder nad kicking has been both extensive and generally negative, having had my own entire nad supply crushed to uselessness, along with other major body parts. Nowadays I will happily settle for half, or more practically, avoid beaches and keep my purse zipped up.
     
  11. Brian Calvert

    Brian Calvert Active Member

    I think that is all BS.... Losers weepers... Tough sh.it, etc... I promise to never return anything some rich person has lost. Nothing against them, but WTH... Spainards want it, go and get it. If not, too bad. I believe this gold and the area between sebastian and stuart belong to 'X party" Maybe mel fishers crew, which has been passed down, rights bought out, etc.
    The first finders lays claims, they had to fight Florida for it too. The state wanted it all at the beginning claiming it was on their property.
     
  12. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Losers weepers... Tough sh.it, etc...

    I find your wallet, I get to keep it. OK, if you say so.

    I promise to never return anything some rich person has lost

    What about poor people's losses? Just how poor do they have to be?

    I am assuming this is tongue in cheek.
     
  13. Brian Calvert

    Brian Calvert Active Member

    I will make all determinations and a wallet has ID. Different !
     
  14. Silverhouse

    Silverhouse Well-Known Member

    So, you're telling me that if I went to the old plantation farm my ancestors owned on the Eastern Shore of Maryland, and mind you they (we) owned this property for 200 plus years. It has since then been sold off, but the original name is still in use. If I got permission from the owner now, and I found any coin on "my" original property, it's all mine regardless of who owns said land? Or would I and the current owner split what was found? And yes, I do have paperwork that backs up my family owning said land.

    I often thought it would be fun, to go back to that land to metal detect. I am sure there are other treasures to be found. But I am sure I can't just show up now and start digging. LOL..
     
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