2 New Medieval NGC Arrivals

Until I find what I really want to collect in terms of Ancients I wil continue my medieval collection. My ancients range from Elagabalus to Ancient Spain and the Parthian Kingdom..
Here are my 2 new arrivals.

Philip IV was the father of 3 succeeding French kings. He was the first to to mark the diffusion of gold coins in the french kingdom, also confiscating as much of it as possible. He expelled the Jews from his territory and tried to destroy the Knights Templar order in France, seing them as a threat to his rule. He was in conflict with King Edward 1 of England (Longshanks) as Braveheart likes to remind us. He died on a "hunting accident" on his way to a crusade.
I enjoy the precise mathematical detail on this specimen.




A popular collectors piece from the reign of Sigismund I The Old. He has also fought against the Teutonic Order which ended up with the last grand master of the order, Albert Duke of Prussia converting to Lutheranism and dissolving the order in a military sense. (The order still exists today, known as "Order of Brothers of the German House of Saint Mary in Jerusalem).
Even without caring much for history, many eyes are appealed by the traditional knight with sword in hand depicted on the Halb Groschen. (1/2 G). The MS versions are thoroughly sought after and following my observations on bidding activity go up in the 400 to 500 $ range.

 

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Neat additions. I like the Philip IV the most.

 

The only coin I really want is William the Conqueror because there is a family connection. I doubt that I will ever be able to afford one!

 

That would in fact be a fine coin to own. Whenever i try to save for a high valued and long desired coin i end up spending it on another coin that suddenly pops up..

 

Tell me about it! I am not buying at the moment, but plotting and planning

 

Isn't that the truth!

I love both coins, and I wouldn't mind owning either one.

 

I think we all do that!

 

I have one of these!

 

Yay !! Welcome to the club..

 

They're both wonderful coins, but I'm in love with the Sigismund. These are a dime-a-dozen in lower grades so it's really refreshing to see one with so much exquisite detail. Great find!

 

Wonderful coins.

 

nice additions indeed tobiask!

hey, why just collect one thing....just collect "cool coins"!

i have one of these....not as nice as your however.

 

both are nice, but I am liking the design on the first 1 more and more.

 

Just about everyone has a family connection to William. If your number of ancestors doubles every generation, and allowing 25 years as one generation, 4 generations takes you to 16 ancestors, 200 years and it is 256, about 2000 after 300 years, 16,000 after 400 years, 200,000 odd after 500, 3,000,000 after 600, 50,000,000 or so after 700 years, almost 1,000,000,000 after 800 years ---- well, you can see the way this is going. There just were not that many people, so by the time you get back 1000 years, everyone is sharing just about everybody as ancestors or relatives, albeit very distant.

And of course, any supposed direct line over that period is absurd unless it is purely matrilineal, as research has shown that one in eight putative fathers are not the father of the child, meaning that over 1000 years you could expect at least 5 failures of patriliniage.

Even with a matrilineal line, odd things can happen with children now and again, off the record.

 

well, sort of. we all may be related to willaim the conquerer, but we're not all equally related to him. at least after 1000 years. check out this map, it's for some info on the y chromosome but i think it's a pretty good surrogate for genetic relatedness in the pre-modern world. just look at the colors, they are related groups.



interesting to think about the ancient world on top of that map, the dark blue area of western europe...i think that pretty much represents what history would call "the celts" and their migration. (this is probablyNOT quite correct, but i'll leave it in).

anyway, the dark blue europe group would include william and his family. i have ancestors from that group, and am probably in some way related to him. if you have mainly african or eastern asian ancestors, you probably aren't, at least at the level of 1,000 years in the past.

if you see that star in west central africa (y chromosome adam), that pretty much nails us as equally related, around 200,000 years ago. before our great-(multipy my a bunch) grandparents moved out of africa.

 

Too complicated for me. I just tell folks that I'm Heinz 57 variety.

 

I'm skeptical about that chromosome analysis. I'm pretty sure we've got a few aliens on this forum.

 

Where!?! Oh, you mean Steve......

 

i think this is steve's cousin!

 

Cousin? Really??? I thought that was Steve!