The Morgan Roll Guy...How Does He Get The Toning?

You were an honest buyer who trusted a con man. A con man who should be removed from Ebay. There's plenty of them on Ebay and they get away with selling fake coins, "un-searched rolls", shill bidding etc.

 

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We didn't ...you are the only person here who took the bait. You shouldn't have opened the roll after members here told you a thousand times that you will not win. I told you that you have a better chance of hitting the lottery then coming out a winner on this roll.

 

Nail him with the negative feedback. It might stop someone else from getting burned by this con man.

 

Let's agree to disagree. To me (and well the United states of America) when you tell a deliberate false statement material to a transaction it is fraud. The op is a victim of a crime, fraud, and unlike many others on this site I try not to assign blame to victims. I prefer to lay 100% of the blame on a person committing the crime.

 

In case you have not noticed, in no way have I said the OP is not a victim; he is and I do not believe it reasonably disputable. However, this does not mean all are victims, other than perhaps in their own minds, when a buy does not go their way. Ebay policy absolutely SHOULD be there to protect those, like the OP, who were lied to and taken advantage of, but not to protect the stupid from themselves or allow some lowlife a freebie, the latter of wgich I fear will be the result of constantly reminding people how easy it is to rip off a seller.

 

i guess i just disagree with

it may be obvious to you but not to all. more importantly, the only blame there is for the op is that he trusted something someone said in the coin world when selling him a coin. i do believe all the blame in the specific example of the op should be on the seller and none on the op.

 

eBay deleted my negative feedback. Wow. I didn't say any profanity, or anything against the ToS.. didn't even get a message saying it was removed. Amazing.

 

Of course they did. It was unjustified. They do it all the time when buyers abuse the system.

 

They do it all the time for sellers that make them money regardless of whether you follow the feedback guidelines.

 

You closed the case--- end of story.

 

I agree, the con man seller is the one burning people

I my opinion this con man seller and his "unsearched rolls" is the one abusing the system. Ebay appears to be protecting him from negative feedbacks and the feedback rating is what most buyers use to judge sellers.

I'm sure the seller is laughing all the way to the bank, knowing he's screwing many honest buyers who trust his scam and the faulty Ebay feedback system.

 

So do you assign blame to rape victims as well? Or does the law not apply to those who buy coins. Your the guy who just doesn't get it.

 

You're exactly right... what may be obvious to me, or vise versa, may not be obvious to all, but if I jump into a purchase, especially if with the hopes of getting that almighty deal, knowing full well that I don't know the first thing about what I am doing, I rightfully shoulder SOME of the blame. This is not to say that sellers like this roll guy should get a free pass, or that sellers should be allowed to claim whatever they want when hoping to snag a sucker, but just that people/buyers need to start using a little... just a little common sense. I certainly do not want to make the OP feel ANY worse about the situation, but he had a choice here... he EASILY could have bought nice certified examples of the Morgans he wanted. It is probably safe to say that he at least scanned over a few while searching prior to finding these rolls, yet he chose to ignore them, and I do believe we all know why. He wanted the numismatic equal of something for nothing, and in this respect only, he is to blame. Again, this is NOT to take blame away from this lowlife seller as we both know his listings are designed to entice someone just like the OP, but this, rightfully, does not remove all personal responsibility from the buyer.

 

This is just another reason why, with all due respect, you would have been wise to consult the forum BEFORE making any decisions. I feel for you, I really do, but it is as if you've simply dismissed every option and/or suggestion given you and has only made things worse. I don't know what options, if any, you have left, but thus far you've given the seller EXACTLY what he wanted while doing nothing to benefit yourself.

 

Sorry for the OP and bad on ebay for removing negative feedback. That's it for me, graded coins only unless I have it in my oily fingers to fondle and look at with my magnifying glass. Of course with my trusty google on hand to verify as much as possible what I think I want to buy.

Of interest, I travel to Vietnam a lot. Some time back, one of the many street vendors in HCMC offered me a 1967 proof set sealed in cellophane type plastic and in a paper envelope. The envelope was marked 1967 Proof Set, it appeared aged. He said it had belonged to a US service man that abandoned it in the fall of Saigon. It was $20, I said I will give him $10 and it was a deal. I mailed the set to my father in the US and he brought it to a local dealer. My dad explained the source and asked if it was real? The dealer opened the package and all of the coins were under-weight, but good counterfeits.

A lot of stuff is copied in China and sold on the streets all over the world. The OP at least likely had a roll of real Morgans, just no collector value.

The old saying works both ways, "if it seems to good to be true! It is!"

Not saying you can't win a good deal at an auction on slabbed coins. Depends on your bankroll and patience to wait for that deal! At least that is what I am learning.

 

Dead giveaway would have been there was no proof sets in 1967 just regular mint sets and special mint sets which were like the 'proofs' but those came in hard plastic in 1967.

 

I didn't read all the posts...just a few points.

1. For the feedback to be removed like that, my guess is that in an eBay email you sent, you may have threatened to leave negative feedback, which to my knowledge is against eBay rules, and they will delete the feedback.

2. I'm not an attorney, so this will be my only comment on this...there are venues outside eBay for proper resolution of a matter such as this. The best in my opinion for this incident is small claims court. I have been very successful over the years using small claims court in various matters. Often just the threat to the potential defendant of going to small claims court, will give him the incentive to settle with you in some way or giving your money back.

My view on this for small claims court...don't make the threat unless you intend to do it. If he doesn't respond to the initial email threat of legal action, before filing in court, follow up with signed small claims court papers and email him the papers to give him one more chance. If he still doesn't respond, then file the lawsuit. It's not all that expensive to file. You can do it all by mail - I have done it a number of times with success. You can read more about doing this from a number of legal advice websites on the internet.

Good luck. I loathe scammers and hope you sock it to this creep.

 

Sorry, no offense intended, but did you think about why a "US service man" during a brutal war, would be carrying around a proof set?

I apologize for busting chops, but I wish folks would think things thru a little bit before handing their money to scammers.

 

Yes, I even asked the guy why a service man would bring collector coins to a war! He said, "don't know". In 1995, when I first started visiting Vietnam, there were real relics left over from the war, steel pots (helmets), compasses, zippo lighter cases, though I expect these were locally made for units that asked for them, and either left over, or still made. There were also book shops full of 2nd hand books from French colonial times and the US occupation. There were also copies of the books. It was easy to pick a copy of a book though. The coins, I did not expect to be real. Just thought it an oddity on the street for sale by a guy that we selling copies of "The Quiet American" and tourist maps.