Just got the elusive 1916 Barber Half....

OK. I guess it's fine that only a few get screwed over because of your actions.
Over the years we will see the numbers.

 

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Mr. Carr, a refusal to simply sign your work would leave me to believe one of three things.
1. You take tremendous satisfaction in controversy and being the center of attention and debate.
2. You have no regard for those who lack numismatic knowledge and believe it is their own fault if they buy and sell these tokens as real, rare coins.
3. You either don't have the ability to initial your work or simply don't want to sign it in some way or form (and no, a fantasy date is not a "signature").

 

I agree. Even the guy that did the Omega counterfeits signed his work at least. And his coins were made from the correct alloy and weight of precious metal too!

 

Right! The average "lay" person, with no knowledge of Daniel Carr's 1964-D Peace Dollar would sell it for silver melt since they'd more than likely assume it was just another Peace Dollar. Kinda like the folks the sell 1923 Peace Dollars which turn out to actually be 1928 Peace Dollars?

As for the "endless deflections"? You have your opinion based upon what you believe and I have my experience based upon what I believe.

 

Y'all need to do something, this horse is starting to swell in this heat.

 

That is not necessarily true and you have no way of knowing this. This assumption, like the ones Carr makes, are farcical at best. If you actually worked with the public and had any significant dealings with public relations, you would understand how dull the "average" person from the public really is. Moreover, often novices know just enough to be dangerous. For instance, it is quite plausible that these individuals know of the creation of the said pieces, but lack the ability to authenticate one and/or have an unrealistic views of their true numismatic knowledge/ability. Cognitive psychologists call this the Dunning–Kruger effect. You see a lot of the Dunning-Kruger effect on coin message boards.

 

It is beginning to stink too.

 

In my experience, the average "lay" person, the ones with no knowledge of Carr's "fantasy" pieces (or Peace dollars in general) are not going to just want to sell for melt, but are likely to think they've a potential fortune on their hands. Of course, the same could be said for any Peace dollar, bicentennial quarter, or lord-knows what else, but this goes to the very point some are trying to make.

 

Here, you can just call it "Detecto".

 

I hate to post my logic on this thread, but might as well.
If I understand correctly, at the heart of this discussion is that most folks are worried a DC over-strike will be confused for the real deal by a half-wit.
Question....How many DC over-strikes have you seen confused for a million dollar rarity in real life? Hundreds? Naw.....the answer is none.
How many rare classic coins have you seen HARSHLY CLEANED and posted by novices asking what is the value now that they've polished it to make it look nice and new? Quite a few! So let's worry about real problems and bank on the fact that stupid is as stupid does.....and you can't fix stupid no matter how hard you try.

 

You don't know that; no one knows the fate of every one of his coins. If someone has been duped by it, it may not be published. Not every case of fraud makes the newspaper. Moreover, the person might still not know that he or she was duped. Look at all of the idiots that buy from self slabbers on eBay and leave positive feedback like "accurate for the grade" and "amazing coin" when they are likely getting a problem coin/piece of dreck.

And what about people who inherit one of his creations and then waste hundreds (under the Rarity or Ultra Express Tier or whatever they call it) in grading fees, postage, and insurance, only to be told that it is a knock off? Do you all not see that as an injury? And there are people that are not well off financially that will do anything for a sense of hope. Look at all of the impoverished that play the lottery hoping to strike it rich when the odds of being struck by lightning twice are better! Also look at the subprime mortgage crisis! I guess it is just too bad for them; who cares if they fall prey to a non-genuine 1964-D Peace Dollar?! Who cares if the uneducated and poor are taken advantage of, right?

 

You're reaching for a scenario which simply would not exist.

For example: "For instance, it is quite plausible that these individuals know of the creation of the said pieces," - Seriously? Most folks have no clue as to the difference between a Morgan and a Peace Dollar much less what years they were made. To top that, most folks don't even know they still make Kennedy Half Dollars.
Better yet, the other day I spent 18 pristine uncirculated Native American Dollars at the super market. The lady behind me was simply ecstatic! The clerk thought they were half dollars. Yes, a lot of folks are dumb with regard to coins. But they always ask someone who isn;t quite so dumb.

I remember a thread/news story from 2004 about a fella that was retiring and his buddy gave him an 1804 Silver Dollar as a retirement gift!

The news really played this on up comparing prices of known authentic examples being sold for Millions! This fellow was "convinced" that he had an authentic coin regardless of the fact that his buddy admitted that he'd bought the coin at a currency exchange in China.

http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2004/12/25/Surprise-Neb-surprise/12151103986753/

http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=1081663&rid=0

Note that in the second linked story: "Svoboda plans trips to Colorado and Arizona to consult with coin experts."

So, someone finds an example of a coin which was supposedly NOT minted and they tell so and so. Eventually, "so and so" becomes a local news outlet which then becomes a statewide news outlet which eventually becomes a national news outlet. Experts are consulted and the truth comes out.

But then, those are my experiences. I'm sure that yours take on a more sinister and fraudulent tone.

 

I should correct my previous statement.
If one of my "1975" over-strike quarters were to end up in circulation, there would be one person who would have suffered a loss. That would be the person who originally purchased the piece from me for more than face value (about $40 in this case), and then ended up losing it or accidently spending it.

But the recipients of it in circulation would not be harmed.

However, I specifically state on my product pages that that these should not be used as legal tender.

 

Yes, the fantasy date IS a "signature". The font style, size, and placement of the digits is as much a signature as an autograph. A small "DC" on the edge that might go unnoticed will not make any difference if the person isn't going to pay any attention to the obvious date.

However, there are other "signatures" on the over-strikes. The "1964-D" Peace Dollar over-strikes, for example, have a particular and intentional re-punched "D" mint mark. My production blog indicates them. There were two production dies and both have re-punching. And both also have the fourth ray below "ONE", as seen only on the 1921 high-relief, a few of the 1922 proof/prototype issues, and some of the 1935-S mintage.

D/D/D (original punch to the left):


D/D (original punch inverted and placed far to the right):

 

Johnny inherited Grandpa's genuine Morgan silver dollar collection. He took them to the local quick mart and spent them for cigarettes and lottery tickets.

Whose fault was that ?

Johnny's.
And Johnny's parents'.

The only thing that could have saved Johnny from his stupidity would have been better parents and a better education. But by the time of the inheritance, it was too late for that.

 

Yes, but also consider that a person may be quick to think they've discovered a fortune. But how quick would they be to actually spend a fortune for a coin ?

Like I've said, it is one thing to think a coin you found or inherited is worth a lot of money. It is all together a different situation to actually pay a lot of money for a coin.

 

How many times has it been written on this forum that it is wise to write a plan and inventory for your heirs, so that they won't get taken when selling the collection ? An heir is just as likely to waste grading fees on polished/damaged coins as anything else, if not more so. To avoid unnecessary grading fees, the written inventory should include approximate values.

And any estate should be valued by a certified appraiser. Having that done will lessen the likelihood of wasting money on grading fees and/or selling coins too cheaply.

 

just checked my ANACS submission:
4938931 1916 TOKEN DAN CARR BARBER HALF DOLLAR 69 6/17/2015 FedEx Finalizing
It arrived 6/4/2015 not bad service

 

Your refusal to accept advice and criticism tells me everything I need to know about your intentions and your lack of responsibility towards numismatics. Goodbye.