Heritage Pics vs. Actual, Not Always Accurate

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  1. Agilmore01

    Agilmore01 Well-Known Member

    I haven't purchased many coins from Heritage auctions, but I can say I haven't been super pleased with their photography of the coins. I bid and won a proof Mercury last week. The coin looked heavily toned, but when I got it in hand today, it is much lighter, and even lighter than my pic shows. I researched it online on the NGC app and it looked a lot different than Heritage's. Anyone else run into this? I am actually more pleased with the way it turned out than Heritage's pic.
    Heritage's Pics Below
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    My Pics
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  3. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    Heritage images are often flat and lifeless, while a coin can look quite lustrous and vibrant in hand. For a long time, I thought they were scans; BUT, HA actually does photograph the slabs -- but they use a ton of diffusion and thus the images look flat.

    I was delighted with a recent purchase from Heritage (see below):

    Heritage images:
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    My images:

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  4. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Heritage;

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    My pictures;
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  5. KoinJester

    KoinJester Well-Known Member

    That's because the majority of heritage images are scans not pictures
     
  6. mlov43

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    I don't know if the way they make images of coins is all that bad. I appreciate that HA is not trying to "put a shine" on the coins. The important thing is that you get clear images that aren't hiding anything.

    My question: Why not more images for each auctioned coin? Some under this lighting, and some under a different lighting that would reveal "luster"?
     
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  7. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    First time. Second money. Third time costs more money.
     
  8. john59

    john59 Well-Known Member

    Very nice
     
  9. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    Actually, they are not. I used to think that too, until I saw several photos of their photography room. ALL of their pictures are taken by high end DSLR cameras. The problem is that the images are shot with massively diffused lighting, and thus they look like scans.
     
  10. john59

    john59 Well-Known Member

    With the right photo would you have bid more ?
     
  11. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    I think they are doing their consigners a disservice by not providing the best photography of the coins. Each coin needs to be lit to specifically show off it's qualities. I have an Indian Head that if it was not shot correctly would not show off the amazing color it has. I'd be upset if my coin sold for less than it could have if photographed properly.
     
  12. giorgio11

    giorgio11 Senior Numismatist

    That's a heck of an improvement! Congrats brg5658.

    Best Regards,

    George
     
  13. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    My "bid" was significantly more than I ended up paying...so, I would have paid more, but I put in my max bid, so I wouldn't have bid more. If that makes sense. ;)
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Agilmore -

    As you can easily see from the replies who takes the pic and how they take it can make huge difference. You can have 5 people take pics of the same coin and all 5 of them will look different. For that matter you can take 5 pics and all 5 will look different.

    Of course the very same thing happens when you hold a coin in hand and turn it under a light. With every tiny change in angle you will see a different look. This is especially true when the coin has any toning, and almost all coins have some degree of toning. Excepting freshly dipped coins of course.

    It is also true that even if you employ the best photographers out there and they each take a different pic of the same coin, all trying to make it look as good as they can, that when others view the pics, there will be many different opinions as to which pic makes the coin look better. This is because of differences in taste - chocolate and vanilla.

    And regardless of who takes the picture, when you view the coin in hand, it is almost always going to look different to you. Again, this is because of changes in lighting and the angles at which you view the coin. Sure you can see the coin and it will look exactly like the picture, but only when you duplicate the lighting they used and hold the light and the coin at the same angle at which they took the picture. Any other angle, any other light, and it will look different.
     
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  15. john59

    john59 Well-Known Member

    Yea
     
  16. Agilmore01

    Agilmore01 Well-Known Member

    Whenever I sell my coins in ebay, if it has interesting toning, I try to take multiple images from different angles. I usually only pick the ones that best represent true in-hand representation. I am not dissatisfied with the way my coin turned out. I was just shocked at the difference, and how dark their pic looked. I haven't been able to replicate their color.
     
  17. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    If you want to see why Heritage images are so "dull" then you should read this thread, and look at the pictures there. They shoot their lights through thick white paper, and they leave on the overhead fluorescent lighting when photographing. That method is bound to give you a washed out flat look to images.
     
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  18. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Neat picture of Heritage's photo room. The assembly line approach is what it takes to shoot as many coins as they do in the time they do it. They're clearly looking for consistency and throughput, not in optimal pictures. The high-end coins, however, get special treatment, as they are also photographed for their print catalog.
     
  19. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    WOW! I guess I am not the only one with 2X4's. Their diffusers (or what ever they are called) are TAPED to 2X4's. At least I used screws.
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    But not everybody does that. Based on my experience over the years, most do not. Instead, even when only sharing pictures and not trying to sell anything, they will use the most flattering pictures, or what they think are the most flattering pictures, of their coins.

    And sadly, some sellers will use pictures that are very misleading, pictures that even hide things that you the potential buyer would want to see.

    That is why people should be very cautious when buying coins based on pictures. Your best option as a buyer is to only buy from people you trust, and even then only use the pictures as a general guide to what the coin actually looks like when viewed in hand.
     
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  21. Agilmore01

    Agilmore01 Well-Known Member

    Here is another example of Heritage's pics vs. NGC's. I have found NGC's to be much more accurate in the past. Will find out when I get it in hand.
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    Heritage
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    NGC
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