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If I find a 64 D dollar both DC and I will be in same jail cell together for different reasons..

 

Jaime Hernandez: "He joined PCGS in 2005, primarily as the modern coin pricing Editor for the PCGS Price Guide."

Nuff said.

 

Pretty sure you're entirely missing the point of his post. It doesn't matter who the person at PCGS is or how long they've been there. What does matter is that PCGS arguably the number 1 coin grading service. Or what could be considered an expert in the field of numismatics as a company holds the belief that a 64-D coin could actually exist. In fact they believe it to the point they have a standing reward to inspect and verify one. This adds weight legally to the fact that a layperson who encounters a Carr 64-D could reasonably believe that the piece is genuine. That's what really matters what the average person could reasonably believe. I'd be willing to bet most people with no knowledge of numismatics for instance the average U.S. citizen, shown say a Carr 1975' quarter would believe it to be absolutely genuine.

 

You won't find one--they don't exist. Big urban legend about any of them escaping the melt.

 

Whoa. I guess this isn't over. I guess I spoke too soon.

Let me ask you chums this. Are any of you a fat lady? Or, do you know a fat lady? And, if so, can you bring her in here? Right now? Because the only way I think this is going to end is when the Fat Lady sings...

I know. Maybe one of you can find one on www.youtube.com? Or, if not for free, on www.fiverr.com? I'll flip for the $5.

BTW, that reminds me, I can use some change. While I hate to go off-topic, are any of you real bright coin collectors also note collectors? If so, I hate to bother you, but I could use two $10s for a $5...

 

That was different. There was a gold horde, when some folks did NOT turn in their Gold. No such issue with the 64 Peace Dollar, as it was never made public, so no need to horde it, and no opportunity to do so.

 

Yup! anything is possible.

 

It's not very different the 1933 double eagles were never released for circulation either. No one had a bunch taken from circulation that they could hoard and not turn in with the 1933 double eagles. In fact the stories mirror each other in a way regarding what occurred with minting and then destruction. How those 1933 double eagles left the mint could be the same way some 1964-D Peace dollars may have left the mint yet remain undiscovered to this day.

 

Think I'll say it again, since this thread never dies. Engrave a "D.C." on the rim and the constant need to justify yourself and dig up old legal reasoning will largely go away.

 

Funny how things like that happen.

 

I own 2 DC restrikes ('65-D Peace & '16 Barber Half) and some of the 1715 300th Anniv. Silver Cobs. The workmanship is excellent!

I'm still on the fence regarding the re-strikes. I see both points. No, I'm not a politician.

As for the '64 Peace Dollars that were allegedly all melted, I believe there are some still out there. Once some of them left the building, I don't believe they all made it back for the melting party. I believe the Mint Director was playing CYA when she declared they were all recovered and melted.

In addition, there were just 5 1921 & 1922 transitional Peace Dollars graded by PCGS last year. They were under the radar for 90 years! Who had them? Well low and behold, it was the family of a former Mint director.

 

The question isn't whether any pieces exist; for HPA purposes, it merely needs to look like a circulating series. And even if we interpret the HPA as narrowly as you wish to do, the fact is that the 1964-D Peace Dollars were struck. Whether any remain/survive is immaterial to the Title 18 statutes and the HPA. Finally even if we ignore all of this, and adopt your flawed analysis the real legal question is "whether a person of ordinary intellect could reasonably conclude that the 1964-D Peace Dollars exist" and "whether Carr's pieces purport to be or are similar in design/similitude to the 1964-D pieces or other U.S. Peace Dollars struck by the government." (And I am not conceding the first question is relevant; legally the answer to the second one is the only one that matters). And in the government's case against the Norfed man, the fact that he used legends and denominations like those on U.S. currency was enough to convict him even though his coins sought to create an alternative currency and not to copy U.S. coins per se.

 

This letter actually proves my point. It reads "should anyone have such trial Mint-struck pieces in his possession, they are the property of the United States which is entitled to recover since the pieces were never issued." That doesn't sound like none exist; it suggests that some could exist!

 

I am a fat man; is that close enough?

 

Do you cross-dress? Do you have a high voice, like a eunuch? If so, sing away. You might fool us.

 

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No. None of the above.

 

Do you sing?