Just got the elusive 1916 Barber Half....

Yes, "counterfeiting" doesn't necessarily mean that "fraud" has been committed.

See my post # 265.
"Fraudulently" is the key word in the US Mint's citing of the law related to the defacement and alteration of coins.

PS:
I just looked up "counterfeit" at Dictionary.com (which uses the Random House dictionary). Their definition does use the word "fraudulently".

counterfeit
adjective
1.
made in imitation so as to be passed off fraudulently or deceptively as genuine; not genuine; forged:
counterfeit dollar bills.
2.
pretended; unreal:
counterfeit grief.

 

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I have a right to protest!

Of course you don't want "COPY" on them. You'd lose money.

The CIA Headquarters was built with tax dollars. Try walking into the building any time you want.

Chris

 

Apparently the only numismatic news you care about is your non-coins. Otherwise, you would have read about the recent fraud. Analyze it? Don't you mean that you want to come up with another ridiculous attempt at misdirection to confuse others?

Now, your logic leaves a lot to be desired. Getting tired?

Chris

 

If anyone really has such a problem with his works then contact the secret service or your local government representatives and let them know. It would probably be more effective than an endless circular argument in an internet thread.

 

I am assuming that you don't anneal the host coin before striking over it?

 

You keep talking about all these "fraud" incidents, but you have never produced one shred of evidence nor a reference or link to any one of them. I subscribe to "Coin World" - I never read anything about what you are talking about. Where did you read it ?

 

Correct - no melting or heating.

 

You have a right to protest. But you do not have the right nor the duty to dictate to others what they should or should not be allowed to collect.

>>> The CIA Headquarters was built with tax dollars. Try walking into the building any time you want.

Sounds like you have experience attempting to do that ?
Not a good analogy with the CIA thing. CIA records are not copyrighted. They are secret. There is a difference.

 

Trying SO hard to hit the like button!

Oh, my arm aches, I just CAN'T reach it!

arrrrgh!

But, I tried, and that is what counts.

 

It's all good bro, I did it for you.

 

Since I don't find a LOOPHOLE that permits me to circumvent your rules, Doug, I guess I have no alternative but to say, COPY that!

Chris

 

It would be funny if Mr. Carr ended up designing and minting a token with the word "Copy" for the naysayers. It would probably sell out, as his other pieces. A "copy" of a blank silver round.

 

I agree that few minds, if any, are being changed.
But if you call what we are having here a "debate", it is for the benefit of the people who haven't made up their minds yet. And there are probably some of those who have visited here.

 

That would be funny
Or maybe a "COPY" 1998-S Kennedy half dollar ?

On another site there was a discussion about silver rounds that are obviously not US Mint products (no date or denomination), but have designs similar to US Silver Eagles, Indian Head nickels, etc.
One person thought they should be marked copy. But what is a "COPY" of a silver round ? Is it silver or imitation silver ?

 

I was attempting to make a joke. a real silver round with the word copy on it, or some sort of design, using the word copy. Not a copy of anything per se.

Or an over strike of U.S. coin with the date struck backwards. That would turn a head or two.

 

I never really cared for the overstrikes, but then dcarr went and did a Barber. Dang you!!! Ordered mine last night.

 

>>>I was attempting to make a joke.
And it was funny
Actually, you are not the first person to suggest something like that, and I might actually do something like that (when I have some time).

 

If you do, let us know, I just might buy one.

 

This did not change my mind--I like your work and will continue to order from you, Daniel. However, one of the previous discussions did change my mind several months ago. I was self-righteous and considered the coins to be "cheap copies," due to my numismatic snobbery. Then I bought one of them, and completely changed my mind, as I saw the artistry and the skill in creating them--holding the coin in hand did it for me. Since then, I have ordered liberally from Moonlight Mint, and will continue to do so. Therefore, the previous discussion did change at least one mind--mine. I just ordered a second Barber 1916 high grade half, and will have the pair slabbed when the second one arrives--all this argumentation that they're counterfeit only convinced me all the more than the coins are definitely worth owning.