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Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Barber dime 94s, May 31, 2015.

  1. Barber dime 94s

    Barber dime 94s Active Member

    Your right I usually never look twice at a slab unless it is one of top 4 except maybe pci , I've got a few nice mercury dimes in there holders .. I had been shopping around for war nickels the past week or so and anything unc is in the 5-8 dollar range. It suprize me I actually won these that cheap.. The seller had givin an opinion of each coin in the listing and normally I wouldnt take someone's word but considering he wasn't listing them as ms70 coins like sgs had labeled them I felt he was being honest. For that kind of money It was worth the gamble. Just a few buck more than what the coin world slabs would cost me.
     
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  3. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    Good point about the holders themselves. On low-dollar coins like this, I tend to value the holder at a couple bucks, so I have no problem buying, say, MS66 state quarters for $4-5 apiece in PCGS flag holders. I figure it's $2.50 worth of coin and the remainder in plastic.

    Now, you might question the wisdom of paying as much for the holder as for the coin, but I like the flag holders a lot. :)
     
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  4. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    The fact a seller offers returns (or even worse relying on eBay's idiocy-promoting forced return policy) shouldn't be used as an excuse to gamble, especially with items offered in an auction-style listing. When all evidence points against the likelihood of item being what is hoped for, it is not only an unnecessary waste of your own time, but the seller's as well. You could also think of it this way: if you were the seller, would you be perfectly fine with people bidding, costing you an actual sale to someone else and needlessly binding up your money, when they are certain to return?
     
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  5. Barber dime 94s

    Barber dime 94s Active Member

    Since you only know a small portion of this story let me clear this up.. The coin in question was listed as a gem unc coin. When I said ( take a chance , take a gamble ) what I was meaning by that is take a chance that the coin is indeed what it is listed as. As for wasting people's time , if a seller list a coin as unc and it's anything but when I receive it dag gum right I'm returning it. If a seller misrepresent a item I won't think twice before sending it back. This may not be the case with this coin as I did not purachase it to find out. I could see you point if the seller did not make any clams as to the condition or grade of the coin and left it to the potential buyer to determine .. Now it's a different story if a seller is listing a coin as unc / with bad photos , I take his word and buy it then turns out to be a harshly cleaned AU ! You wouldnt return it ? Don't kid your !!
     
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  6. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Have you ever heard of a "pig in a poke", sir? Well, that's what this is, and with all due respect, if you would rather waste your own time and money as well as someone else's chasing after one, hop to it. There's no reason to use your own eyes when there's an incredibly long-shot deal to possibly be had, right? It is your responsibility, even if only to yourself, to know what you're buying, but if it is easier to push off personal responsibility with the excuse of seller misrepresentation, no matter how obvious it may be, I certainly understand.
     
  7. Barber dime 94s

    Barber dime 94s Active Member

    Wow ! If I only bought coins on eBay when the photos were good , I'd never buy any. Understand taking photos of coins that give a accurate idea of what the coin looks like in hand isn't the easy thing. That's when the sellers description really comes in to play. So what I getting from you is eBay sellers should be able to say what ever they think will help a coin sell and if the buyer can't tell different , then tough luck.
    Or maybe it isn't that, maybe your just so important you need to give your opinion on a comment made about a coin from which you never saw the listing.
    Maybe people returning coins aren't the only ones wasting others time. Maybe you can look at it like this ,
    People that believe they are so important that they can't help from injecting some of there know it all ( there right , your wrong ) opinions are probably not as important or all knowing as they believe. I then feel as if my time has been wasted after reading what it was so very important for them to waste there time and mine to show me just how right they are about something that has little to do with the questions or comments being discussed ..
     
  8. Twobit

    Twobit Active Member

    Nicely done B D 94.
    Had I seen these I certainly would have bid at that price.
    beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
    couple a bucks a piece for silver nickEL's.
    WELL DONE.
     
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  9. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    I think it was clean to death too, the give away is the discoloring around the devices ... It also went though a photo program too, the black boarder is that give-away ..
     
  10. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    It's a cell phone screenshot.
     
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  11. Dancing Fire

    Dancing Fire Junior Member

    Yup, agree!
     
  12. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    First, sir; it appears to be you who needs a crash course in the difficulty of, or should I say lack of, imaging a coin with acceptable results. While there are certain coins that are more difficult than others, there is no valid excuse for anyone regularly selling coins not to provide honest in-hand representations of a reasonable quality sufficient to (at least) allow knowledgeable buyers to read between the lines. Even the most basic and inexpensive cameras, including cell phones, are capable of producing such images, so when presented with a seller using poor photos, especially when a regular coin seller, the next step should be to ask yourself why this is. Sure, it could be laziness or one of near countless other excuses, but it is just as likely by design. Don't kid yourself here...






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  13. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Now, if you honestly think I am saying a seller should be able to claim whatever they wish, you are mistaken. What I am saying though is that it shouldn't matter. Instead of using the photos provided by this seller, you seem to want to believe his claim of "gem BU" even though the evidence to discount said claim is right in front of your face; does this really make good sense to you? Did you bother to look through his other listings? Had you done so it should have quickly become clear that this seller makes it a habit of making highly questionable grade claims, so is it really wise to put any weight into it, or to convince yourself that in this case it "could" be just as he says just because you want to believe it? Is it really worth your time to ignore what yours eyes tell you, all out of the hopes of getting that almighty deal? Forget about the seller's time or following the golden rule (I know.. it is so yesterday) for a moment and answer me this: is chasing after an incredible long shot really worth your time? Perhaps it is, and if this is the case, that's great... chase after all the pigs in pokes you wish, sir, but at least have the decency to at least try to see that just because something said to you isn't what you want to hear, this does not automatically make it a personal attack.
     
  14. Barber dime 94s

    Barber dime 94s Active Member

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    I never purchased this coin.. I came Across the listing , posted a few photos to see what people though.
    I then got you coming at me with these smart A comments... You don't know my buying habits or how I do business on eBay .. Over 100 coins I've purchased, I've only returned one.
    It just really bothers me when someone starts bashing me about how I should be buying off eBay just because I said ( take a chance) If you didn't mean to come off as someone just trolling around looking to smart off and start crap it sure looks this way. You can go look at almost any thread on this site and you will find atleast one or two members that Just have to chime in with some rude/ high and mighty comments .. Its to the point Im sick of people like this and will not be tolerating them anymore. If I come across a post That I don't agree with I just move on , I'd suggest you do the same.
     
  15. bkozak33

    bkozak33 Collector

    Why is that? 99% of all the coins i buy on ebay have good pictures. There are alot of dealers who sell on ebay that take great pride in their photos. The reason you may be having trouble finding dealers with good photos is that you are ignoring them, while you search for "deals" and other pigs in a poke
     
  16. Barber dime 94s

    Barber dime 94s Active Member

    On some series , yes there are good photos .. Barber dimes not so much .. The ones I do see with good photos are 20 bucks over what I can buy the same coin slabbed .. Check there feedback , when buyers are saying ngc details 6 out of 8 coins from these super juiced photos . How's that any better than taking a chance with the crap photos.
    I guess it all comes down to opinions , I'm sure you know what they say about those ..
     
  17. bkozak33

    bkozak33 Collector

    There is nothing wrong with paying up for nice coins. The barber series is a tough one, and price guides arent very accurate. A lot of barber dealers know how rare nice problem free examples are, and will make you pay for them. Good luck to you.
     
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  18. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    "Smart A comments"? Please... I didn't hold your precious little hand and dared to suggest something you didn't like, so now your feelings are hurt. NOTHING I said to you, before now (tit for tat) was rude in any way, but simply intended as food for thought, which should not be unreasonable for a discussion forum. No one "bashed" you or started any "crap", hotshot; all the attitude has come from one place and one place only. Now, instead of simply letting well enough alone, here you are cocking off about nonsense about not "tolerating" it anymore? Tolerate what.. not having your hand held? Perhaps you should go back and READ my initial post, sir; it was a general statement, along with a suggestion, but no accusation. Everything that followed rests upon you.
     
  19. Barber dime 94s

    Barber dime 94s Active Member

    It oblivious that you need to feel big and or important and Ct is the only place you can get by with your lovely comments. If you pulled this (mr know it all )crap in public I'd say you wouldn't fair so well. So this is the only place you can .. So it's pretty clear I don't like you/ u don't like me . Quit wasting my time and yours since its your mission in life to keep people from wasting time. Seems the only life you have it searching threw threads trying to find a comment you disapprove of so you can kick in your HEE HAw opinion... This thread was about the opinions of a coin , not what peebody thinks of returning a coin. As for you holding my hand or anyone else, most of these members advise others to post photos before buying so they can try and help, unlike you !
    So I've got Better things to do than argue with a person so desperate to fill like someone, that they just keep goin on and on. So you little piggie can go wee wee wee all the way home.
     
  20. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    This thread went to hell in a hand basket most notably.........unsubscribed.
     
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  21. Barber dime 94s

    Barber dime 94s Active Member

    Sorry , didn't intend for it to get this way.
     
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