Ah, so that's how you guys are thinking on these. I guess this is where I say, we'll see. They are beautiful coins. But then, do you get, they're manufactured demand? And where does it end, or don't you ask yourself that?
Yep, that 2015-w proof is the 1995-w proof's little brother, by the same mother. All coin values are due to manufactured demand.
No, but I mean degree. Business strikes aren't manufactured demand to the degree that proof coins are. They're not manufactured for collectors. Collectors aren't being manipulated. Business strikes are minted for a different reason than collecting, that's why, while the only reason proofs are minted is for collecting, there's no other reason.
You think so, huh? You have been manipulated into believing you need just about everything you buy - it's called marketing.
Well, but really, you don't understand that about proofs? That's the reason the mainstay was and always will be business strikes. People intuitively know it, they don't have to be told it.
Sure, there will always be more collectors of business strikes - but, that doesn't diminish the historical & present market for proofs.
Yeah. But that's all it is. Now we're getting someplace. It's the market for proofs. These dimes, if they're the coins of the century, they're the coins of the century for that market for proofs. Nobody else needs them.
Well, the more proofs are tied to a highly collected business strike issue, the better. I collect business strikes and feel the proofs are part of the series. Many believe this because they were marketed the idea with holes to fill in albums, so yeah, if there's a hole to fill for the proof, even better. Heck, I wish I could afford more proof 19th century type coins. The century is far from over, so the coin of the century, I doubt. But, probably the coin of the century for Roosy collectors - which I just became due to this set.
Sort of, I say most Roosy business strike collectors do or eventually will collect the proofs. One reason for that is all but a few are inexpensive.
Well...I collect business strike Roosevelt dimes. I have no interest in the reverse proof 2015 Roosevelt Dime. If you're counting, put me in the "I disagree with you" column.
Wow, I can honestly say that before reading this thread, I had never even HEARD OF a collector who collected a series but eschewed the proofs. And I've been a collector since the early 1960's. To me, it has always been assumed that an effort to complete a series included completing the proof pieces as well, especially in the more modern era. The idea of "business strikes only" leaves me with a new question - where do the "circulation quality" S-mint ATB quarters fit in? NIFC, but then not proof either. Yes, they are "businessy strike", but struck on a press designed to strike proofs, and not entered into circulation by the Fed. Also, what about post-2003 Kennedys? Do they not "count" either? Seems to me the distinctions have started to blur, unless the standard is "all means all". Of course, there's always the REAL hyena standard, I guess - nothing after 1964 counts or ever will.
"[E]schewed?" I love it when people use big words! Kurt, let me explain something to you. Ain't gonna happen. We ain't as dumb as you think.
Demand for those dimes will extend far beyond Roosevelt collectors. They are cool US coins that deserve a premium
I love candy bars, too, Dan, but I'd never pay $500 for one. How big a chump can they make of us? That's all this "hobby" is, these days.
News flash, Ed. We're all chumps, none more so than the classic coin collectors. Have you seen the PCGS3000 index? Down, down, down. The hobby is shrinking and the amount of material coming on the market is increasing. Yet the REAL "bidiots" continue - the ones on S-B and Heritage, not eBay, continue to be in denial. There is only one thing that ever causes any coin to increase in value in recent years, and that's marketing, and it matters not a whit whether we're talking about reverse proofs or toned Seated Libs or anything else. It's just about all become a massive "pump and dump" scam.