IYO, Is a peace dollar set complete w/o the two 64-65D coins?

Counterfeit what? How can one counterfeit something which never existed?

 

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You seem to have missed the point that they're real coins that have been altered (restruck). Where do hobo nickels or elongated pennies say 'COPY'?

 

actually you are wrong.
To be a counterfeit the real coin has to exist.
else it is a fantasy

 

I've got a bunch of '22s that I would send to him for restrikes. Their values would tenfold.

 

So the Chinese made 1904cc is a fantasy piece and not an counterfeit?

 

I want a MCMVIII $20 Saint, it must be legal since there are 0 made by the US mint..

 

Good luck with this one... perhaps finding the old CoinWorld article where the different dealers who bought them cried the blues would help make the point. Silly fools... they were not burned by guys selling fakes, just fantasies. The seller's lawyers should have used this as part of their defense.

Perhaps one of the Chinese, with nothing better to do than follow the CT crew collecting tidbits on how to improve their counterfeits, will follow in Mr. Carr's shoes and flood the market with his own overstruck "fantasy" pieces. Hell, maybe he will even take it one step further and just change some insignificant aspect of the design, which would then mean, regardless of the date used, it is a "fantasy" piece as that exact "coin" never, in fact, existed. While I certainly wouldn't expect any Carr fans to admit it, the logic fits and is the same they've used to justify his creations.

 

I think it would be cool if he used a "DC" mint mark.

 

I believe the only thing the guy has done is find a niche market with his own gimmick and has done well with it. I also believe there are many critics of his work that if they had had the forethought and resources, would have done the same thing.

 

Sorry Spud, but I must disagree. I don't consider it a counterfeit because there is no genuine 1964 or 1965 Peace dollar, hence Daniel Carr's coin is a fantasy.

 

Seems to me that since his coins are essentially altered (i.e. restruck) legal tender, that they should still be legal tender.

 

There are all kinds of Peace Dollar design silver rounds minted by many private mints here in the US. Most don't even acknowledge the original artist by including their initials. Are those counterfeits?

 

Of course... those of us who, regardless of personal preference, tastes, or concerns, do not appreciate Mr. Carr's "work" must really feel this way because we are jealous or resent his success. Is it really that hard to understand that those who do not share your views may feel as they do for valid and rather obvious reasons? Mr. Carr operates in a gray area and his overstrikes are a questionable aspect of this hobby well worth open and reasonable discussion. Unfortunately, these threads rarely head in that direction.

"Gimmick" indeed.

 

I too believe in open and reasonable discussion. I also believe that his work is no different than any other "artist" who takes an old nickel and carves his own version of a bust on it leaving enough of the design to represent a nickel. Or the guy who takes a silver half and hammers out a ring with a spoon.
If people wan't to use the scapegoat that he is using an original coin to stamp out a design, then we have a whole new discussion where he is destroying legal tender. For that discussion I ask, is it illegal to sell that coin to be melted down for the pm content? If so how many questionable products are made from those?

 

i would like all the classic coins dated 1793 and 2015. I am sure they will be a hit. Now who is taking the order. Does this designer have an office in china? that will make all of us happy