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  1. brassnautilus

    brassnautilus Well-Known Member

    they had magnifying glasses. At least as early as 500BC, possibly before that.
    crystals and naturally occurred glasses (lightning striking sand) were used.
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    You may be absolutely correct, but I've not seen anything to verify it. I've always wondered how they cut the dies. Some believe they used only nearsighted young people. Some, they used water as a magnifier. But I don't know of any records to verify any of these assertions.
     
  4. brassnautilus

    brassnautilus Well-Known Member

    I'm fairly certain magnifying glasses were in relatively wide use by the time these coins were struck. Optic manufacturing predates our type of coins (metallurgy came later). They were able to polish convex lenses to high degree of precision by the time of Archimedis, and roman left us glassware that have nano surfaces :)

    http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/optics.htm
     
  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Interesting link. I wish some of the mint records were still available. They might solve some of these mysteries.
     
  6. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Hmmmm.....And i thought magnifying lenses weren't used until sometime during the arab/muslim conquest era....
     
  7. brassnautilus

    brassnautilus Well-Known Member

    7X is pretty powerful. In miniatures we usually use 5X (these things are 5-7cm tall).
    Magnifier with good field of view were probably rare, even for 2 or 3X. Large natural crystals would be difficult to obtain and extremely expansive in the ancient world.
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  8. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    The subject of optical magnification in the ancient world is discussed in this paper:
    http://www.academia.edu/467038/The_Use_of_Magnifying_Lenses_in_the_Classical_World

    Which was previously posted here: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/an...magnification-or-reduction-technology.228490/

    The paper at academia.edu includes a reference to an ancient theatrical play in which one of the actors uses a magnifying glass that (according to the script) might be purchased in the ancient world.

    Of course, I now have to post another coin. :) This coin is larger than 10 mm (by 1 mm) but it sure has some fine details.
    Mysia Obol Collage.jpg

    MYSIA. Kyzikos.
    AR Obol
    ca. 450-400 B.C.
    0.85 grams, 11 mm


    Obv: Forepart of razor-back boar left, tunny upward behind
    Rev: Head of roaring lion facing left within incuse square
    Grade: gEF fully struck, Almost mint on porosity-free, choice flan. All lion & boar details present w/ partial tunny
    Other: Similar to Sear 3848 but w/o K; Von Fritze II 9; SNG France 361-72; SNG von Aulock 1213; SNG Kayhan 54. From Barry Murphy May 2013.

    Hey------ Ancientnoob & I are going out to have hamburgers at Louie's Lunch in New Haven tonight (before attending a concert of Pink Floyd music). I believe that Louie's claims to be the first hamburger restaurant in the USA [Est. 1895]. I've heard that hamburgers were also served in the ancient world. Although, I'm not sure if they enjoyed door-mouse-burgers or beef-burgers in ancient times. :D
     
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  9. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    A very beautiful coin C-89...and thanks for the further info and links!!
     
  10. brassnautilus

    brassnautilus Well-Known Member

    am I the only one that thought it was a baboon?
    that intricacy is intimidating.
    What were these dies made of? Bronze?
    I can understand how they laid accurately positioned dots, but scribing fine lines with balanced spacing like that is just unbelievable.
     
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