Help with Identification

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Bing, Mar 27, 2015.

  1. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    Let's post some Nero's while Bing sorts this out! My one and only. Nero sestertius.JPG
    Nero (54-68 AD)
    AE Dupondius, 28mm, 11.41g
    Lugduum mint
    Obv: IMP NERO CAESAR AVG P MAX [TR P P P], laureate bust of Nero right
    Rev: SECVRITAS AVGVSTI-S-C, Securitas seated right on throne holding a short scepter, before her a lighted & garlanded alter, lighted torch and bucranium before
     
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  3. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow, JBG => that's the spirit => kick him when he's down!!

    => hey Bing, here's what you could have had!!


    :woot:;):woot:

    nero.jpg nero2.jpg


    ... just jokes (I love ya, brother) ... we're all feeling lousy for ya (nobody likes seeing fakes floating around our hobby, right?)

    Cheers

    However, my coin is so smokin' hot that I couldn't resist posting it!!

    :rolleyes:
     
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  4. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Hey Bing => as you know, you're not the only dude to get stung by David Sear's sharp-eye ...

    Remember this sweet ol' fake? (if ya "click on Sear's write-up" it jumps to life!!)


    claudiusa.jpg claudiusb.jpg

    => "STING"

    IMG_2666.JPG IMG_2667.JPG

    yup .... it's like a fricken gut-shot!! (I feel your pain, bro)
     
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  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Why don't ya'll just stone me while you're at it.

    OK, well, here are some real Nero's (I think)
    Nero2.jpg Nero4.jpg Nero5.jpg Nero and Claudius OBV.jpg :
     
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  6. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

  7. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    SMART ARSE
     
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  8. Hispanicus

    Hispanicus Stand Fast!

    Bing,
    When I started collecting coins again after a 40 year hiatus I promptly went out and bought an old fake thinking I had scored a great find. After the disappointment in finding out what it really was I decided to keep it as a reminder to be more careful.
    Sometimes knowledge hurts.
     
  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Actually, I thought this may be a fake when I bought it, but decided to take the chance. It was kinda like betting the horses or some such thing. I lost. Just like the last time I played the slots in Vegas. But I do appreciate your thoughts on the matter. I will keep the coin. At the moment it is sitting prominently in the middle of my desk just to remind me.
     
  10. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    Really sad to see the coin didn't pass inspection. Maybe another like it will appear on the market one day that's authentic.

    But then, who can say every coin that they own is 100% authentic. Sometimes I wonder, but I'm pretty sure I've done a good job in picking my coins.
     
  11. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    An interesting development. I wrote the seller to tell him of David Sear's conclusion. He immediately refunded my money and told me he did not want the Nero coin returned. Easy as writing a note to this seller which makes me believe he knew all along the coin was fake.
     
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  12. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    Since we're all posting Neros, my only one: a worn "Temple of Janus" as. Unpublished(As far as I can tell) variant with "SC" in exergue instead of fields.
    [​IMG]
     
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  13. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

  14. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    I bet you are right. I'm glad you got your money back.
     
  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I doubt he knew. The last thing a dealer wants is a public stink over a coin David Sear condemned. This is doubly so if he is vCoins or at all jealous of his reputation. We pay these guys good money based on our trust in their professionalism. Professionals are embarrassed when they foul up. Returning the coin would make you suspicious he was going to sell it to someone else. It belongs where it is with its Sear paper attached.
     
  16. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Good and Bad news jw, not as bad of a sting to get your money back...
     
  17. Whizb4ng

    Whizb4ng HIC SVNT DRACONES

    That is a bummer Bing but sometimes it is better to know than not.

    To me that is the mark of a good seller. Refunding despite the 14 days or 30 days or whatever has passed with no questions asked once the coin was found fake.
     
  18. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    It was more like 6 weeks. But perhaps I would have been more inquisitive if someone said I sold them a fake or I would perhaps want the fake back. But not a word. Just the refund. I can't help but be skeptical. It's my nature.
     
  19. brassnautilus

    brassnautilus Well-Known Member

    Did David Sear ever explain how he came to the conclusion? Or which type of casting it was? Or was it something can only be seen under electronic microscope?

    On your second set of pictures, the couple "holes" looked rather round and had sharper "walls". I'm wondering if those were bubbles from casting, since evenly distributed surface tension from bubbles tend to create more rounded contours, and they might had looked different from those resulted from natural corrosion.

    I just wished he would explain his examination and verification process in better details so we could all learn something from the result, and not just the result itself.
     
  20. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    => I'm "assuming" his comments are similar in detail to the comments that he wrote on my Claudius forgery report? ... correct, Bing? (or were they more or less detailed?)

    Awesome result though => for $50 you've got a great forgery (it fooled a lot of fairly experienced folks) ... oh, and you also have a sweet Sear write-up!! (it's "almost" money well spent in the end, eh? ... kinda)

    congrats => I know you and your wallet (you must be very happy with the end-result)

    :rolleyes:

     
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  21. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Actually I have to agree with Steve on this point. Most of us have wasted $50 without getting anything in return and we get back to that matter of what education you can get for $50 at the local community college. We'll still have to stick in that "almost" but this is not a total loss either. The group of us here might have been able to come to a conclusion if we each had the coin in hand but that would have cost $50 in postage. We do what we can and we are glad to have Mr. Sear as a fall back plan.
     
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