READ THIS! The Next Generation Of Chinese Counterfeits Have Arrived

Problem is in China it is OK to make counterfeits of other countries coins so the government leaves them alone. In the US it is illegal to make counterfeits of other countries coins, so it you tried to "fight fire with fire" your own government would put you away.

Forget about key dates, this isn't one, but what does a "boring" common 1934 sell for in MS condition? Now consider it costs them about $3 to make it. And how much easier it is to sell a raw MS 34 than a raw MS 32-S. (People won't scrutinize a MS common like they will a MS key.) It's definitely worthwhile.

 

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How the heck are you supposed to differentiate between tool marks and bag/contact marks?

I know this, it wouldn't pass muster as a 1934 Light motto, nor a 1934 heavy motto.

 

Yes, but which Mod made the comment has a lot to do with this short sighted and bizarre comment.

I also strongly feel that not sharing diagnostic information about what is wrong is more harmful than potentially (and supposedly) informing the forgers what is wrong with their wares.


"If we sacrifice our values, because we are afraid, we don't care about those values very much."
-Edward Snowden (April 2015)

 

I agree, sharing will be helpful to collectors.

In this case, we can safely assume it was the Business Owner/CT Sponsor posting. The Moderator title didn't faze me in the OP. He explained how it makes him feel...

It was this comment, by a moderator, that tried to inflict an opinion onto others and influence the natural course of the thread...

Perhaps, we can leave the Chinese out of this conflict, since there are already enough internal "us" vs. "them" conflicts in the various CT threads that I've read.

 

Well, I know I am in the minority here, but I think it is more important that we share info and learn. I think that collector knowledge is the best defense for Chinese counterfeits, The Chinese will figure the problems out on their own and most likley have already, so the "help" we provide to them would be minimal at best. JMHO.....

Mike

 

I don't think you're in the minority. I think that any counterfeiter, assuming the Chinese could afford a common date 1934 Washington Quarter, would compare the first few pieces that were produced, with the original. They saw that the design was good enough and went with it. They don't need to read CT or any other forum, to be able to compare their creation to the original.

 

Your ability to dodge the point and make it about something it is not is incredible. And you are one of the people in charge of the content "allowed" on this site; that can change, modify, silence, etc the entire CoinTalk forum. Hmmm.

 

Funny you should ask. I didn't realize it when I typed that statement that the OP is a mod as well. Which is my fault, I knew he was yesterday, the day before that, I just took him as simply the OP in this thread and forgot his request to not diagnose and in turn tell the forgers, was that of of a moderator.

Keep in mind my belief is that silencing free speech (even on this site diagnosing the coins flaws wouldn't be breaking a forum rule) is criminal in nature. Being a private site, it is just bad policy, but not much forum members can do about it. And you are right, TWO MODERATORS think that by diagnosing a counterfeit coins flaws would be assisting the forgers; and that bringing that knowledge to this sites members is less important; which basically adheres less to the purpose of this site.

If a moderator thinks that the forgers are going to learn how to perfect their craft from CoinTalk, that suggests a very, extremely, incorrect view of reality. You can dress it up as "your opinion" but that is ridiculous. If your "opinion" of our sun was that it is green in color, well, your opinion would be WRONG bossman.

When I think of a moderator, I think of an unbiased party, whose goals should be to have a forum reflect the sites original or current intent. In this case, the study and increasing of numismatic knowledge. Spin it however you want, by not informing your members, or allowing, or REQUESTING, or AGREEING with that "do not identify policy," you are allowing your members to potentially be ripped off. What, you thought this was the forgers best and final iteration unless his mistakes were caught by him/her on CoinTalk? And now you're bringing them out of retirement by identifying the flaws to allow them to sharpen it up a little bit more for version 2.0? No. No. No Man.

As Costanza would say:
"THE EGO!"

On a side note, after reading some comments of those that had issue with the "gag order" I have nothing bad to say about the Dutchman. I find his threads and comments to be well worth the read, especially the "Look What Walked Into The Shop" one. However, owning a business outside of the CoinTalk family of business entities, and being a moderator for a numismatic site DOES seem like it is approaching, crowding, hovering on, brushing, etc, the line.

 

I was referencing Doug's comments, not those of LostDutchman. We're on the same page.

 

That "page" may be a pamphlet now.

 

I see two dealers and one moderator. The first dealer brought us the image and stated what he is willing to disclose, bringing forth his knowledge. The moderator tried to influence the thread and guide it in a specific direction. The second dealer tried to lobby that moderator to enforce that specific direction.

 

I alluded to you finding another foot in a comment before. Now you are gathering pairs of feet. I never said a moderator couldn't have an opinion. I am now concluding that you cannot deal with the issue at hand, and are entirely too defensive, set in your ways, etc to see what I said. Amazeballs that after all of that was typed out in b&w you still just, whoosh, right over your head.

And the second part about the Dutchman...I don't even know what to do with that.

Good luck to you Doug.

 

I want you guys to discuss this coin. I have simply stated that I don't want to post the critical diagnostic on a public forum for all of humanity to see it. I have offered the information in a way that accomplished my goal not to post it publicly and over a dozen folks have taken me up on my offer.

 

It's all about WINNING the argument and making others concede, then eventually we can discuss the coin.

 

Thank you, I want to discuss the coin. I have a feeling others wish to discuss the coin, but, you have to admit, the perceived "allowed" direction of the discussion got a bit murky after GDJMSP and ToughCOINS chimed in, at the very beginning.

 

it does not cost 3 bucks to make you can buy fake quarters on alibaba all day long 1.40 each if u buy 100 at a time

 

No, it's all about silence, unless GDJMSP is typing volumes and the likes are flying in his favor. Dwindling, more like it, from what I can tell. A lot of threads seem to be very interesting, even when I don't participate, just read, until GDJMSP and his "opinion(s)" takes them over.