Attribution Help

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by oi!, Apr 19, 2015.

  1. oi!

    oi! Member

    Ive got this 1970 S proof nickel and im trying to find a CONECA listing for it. The closest I can find id DDR-013 but is what I have on this coin considered a LIGHT spread?
    All of the doubling increases from L to R and UNITED STATE seems to not be doubled at all. Also, the E in MONTICELLO is very lightly doubled and the DDR-013 does not mention that. Anybody have any ideas?
     

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  3. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Sucks when there isn't markers to look for, or images either
     
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  4. cpm9ball

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    This doubling seems so minute that I wonder if there is any grading service that will attribute it. The OP's other thread on the 70-S Kennedy raises the same question for me. If it can't be attributed by a major grading service, then it boils down to a "he said, she said" question, doesn't it?

    Chris
     
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  5. Rick Stachowski

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    True, but I've seen just the T & Y of LIBERTY be a DDO ..
     
  6. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    If you send it to James Wiles, and he attributes it as a DDR, he can send it to ANACS, who will attribute it on the holder. Like @cpm9ball said...depends on if he considers the doubling as "too minor."
     
  7. Rick Stachowski

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    I think what will hurt this coin, all proof are struck twice ..
     
  8. cpm9ball

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    Rick, I'm not referring to the quantity of letters or numbers. I'm referring to the quality of the doubling. Something like this.......
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  9. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    I agree ...
     
  10. jay4202472000

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  11. oi!

    oi! Member

    Thanks for the help guys.

    I was thinking the same thing but I wasn't able to locate the die markers on my coin.

    If the doubling on this one is considered minute then I'm thinking about doubling in the wrong fashion and need to educate myself a little more.

    cpm9ball- I would consider the doubling of the GO of that half fairly strong, right?
     
  12. cpm9ball

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    There are some that are even stronger like the 1955 Lincoln DDO.

    Chris
     
  13. oi!

    oi! Member

    Thanks Chris.
    So the coin I posted would definitely be considered a light spread?
    The way I've been thinking about it is this: I've seen coin considered DD's where a "separation" line was not even really discernible but the DD caused only a thicker device. That's what I was thinking a light spread was.

    Do I have it right to now think of the lightness or heaviness of a spread as the difference in thickness of that actual "groove" of separation?

    While trying to decipher the CONECA master listings I've noticed that there seems to be a difference between a "spread" and doubling. Is that right?

    Not sure if I crammed too much into one post. I appreciate the knowledge you guys always share in my posts
     
  14. oi!

    oi! Member

    This doubling seems so minute that I wonder if there is any grading service that will attribute it. The OP's other thread on the 70-S Kennedy raises the same question for me. If it can't be attributed by a major grading service, then it boils down to a "he said, she said" question, doesn't it?

    Chris[/QUOTE]

    I completely agree with this, by the way. We have to draw the line somewhere
     
  15. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    I completely agree with this, by the way. We have to draw the line somewhere[/QUOTE]

    Why do you have to draw a line somewhere? Really at its basic level a variety is just a coin struck by a die which transfers unique characteristics that enables an individual to attribute that coin to the specific working die that struck it. It is very rare where a die produces a variation of such extreme that it causes the mint to retire that die early from coin production. Generally speaking the coin presented by the OP in this thread, if its unique characteristics can be determined, is just as rare as a coin attributed to a die exhibiting a greater more noticeable spread. Being both dies probably struck approximately the same number of coins.
     
  16. oi!

    oi! Member

    Why do you have to draw a line somewhere? Really at its basic level a variety is just a coin struck by a die which transfers unique characteristics that enables an individual to attribute that coin to the specific working die that struck it. It is very rare where a die produces a variation of such extreme that it causes the mint to retire that die early from coin production. Generally speaking the coin presented by the OP in this thread, if its unique characteristics can be determined, is just as rare as a coin attributed to a die exhibiting a greater more noticeable spread. Being both dies probably struck approximately the same number of coins.[/QUOTE]

    The comment about equal rarity is a great point. I never thought of that.

    The line I was referring to would be similar to one that attributers set to determine what is considered a minor variety. I think what I should have said was that I need to draw a line somewhere. Am I going to collect every single variety no matter how noticeable or weak or will I stick with the major and dramatic varieties only
     
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