Good Luck Swastika Token

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by heavycam.monstervam, Apr 11, 2015.

  1. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    I just pulled this out of a bag of about 100 tokens. It intrigued me so I did some quick research and these tokens were used by 100's of companies for advertising. I guess before WWII, swastikas were good luck symbols and not the infamous hate symbols we think of today.There were a few of these good luck swastika tokens on the `bay that hammered for over $100.I didnt see this particular token so im assuming its pretty rare.I only found 1 other car dealer on this type token and it was a Buick dealer. Anyone care to take a stab on the value of this???? IMG_20150411_200025.jpg IMG_20150411_200224.jpg
     
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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    $5.00 to $30.00 depending on the condition. I want to share this website concerning this type of good luck token - http://www.sageventure.com/coins/tokens.html
    Looking at all the different types listed on this website it seems like your Reverse does not match any of the ones shown.
     
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  4. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    paddyman98;

    Quite a bit of information on just one page of the link. I have always rejected any coin with that symbol on it from Nazi Germany, but it has appeared on coins all the way back to the Roman Empire, maybe even before; but I'll let one of our ancient collectors verify that.
     
  5. Whizb4ng

    Whizb4ng HIC SVNT DRACONES

    Here is a nice clear one on a AR Hemidrachm from Thrace: https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=251383
     
  6. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I understand your feelings towards this symbol. But it did not originate from Nazi Germany.. yes they used it but it was a totally different meaning before the Nazi era. Just look at the tokens. Even the Boy Scouts of the USA used it on their own tokens as a good luck symbol pre WW2.
     
  7. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Amazing example! Thanks for sharing!
     
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  8. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Here it is on an ancient Hindu Temple and Buddha
    Hindu-Temple-Swastikas.jpg 200493buddha_with_swastika.jpg
     
  9. rooman9

    rooman9 Lovin Shiny Things

    I found a bunch of books at my college library that have the design on them. I don't like what nazism did and what it represents but I collect a lot of world war 2 things and have quite a few with that symbol. I feel it is a good way to teach people and help us avoid the mistakes of the past.
     
  10. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    paddyman98;

    When I referenced Nazi Germany, I meant during that specific time period, not that it was unique to Germany just during their part of history. I have several pieces from the mid-evil era with that design.
     
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  11. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Ok.. I understood what you meant. I just made my reference so anyone else reading would understand. :wideyed:.. I once put an German Dagger on Ebay with the symbol on the handle and they took it off like the next day. It was against their policy. But I don't understand how they allow Nazi era coins and stamps to be put up?
     
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  12. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Do not expect much logic behind such decisions. ;)
     
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  13. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    Took this to a show today in springfield, the guy that sells/likes exo from the cincy show wasnt there but i did ask a dealer i know from here in columbus and he said $25 -$50 with the guy at the end of the rainbow being a studebaker car enthusiast or even, the decendants/kin of the guys who owned this jewell-basset company being advertised on the token.
     
  14. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Great price and info. Thanks for sharing!
     
  15. sageventure

    sageventure Junior Member

    It shown on https://www.sageventure.com/coins/worry.html. Another web page I have written on the subject of Swastikas in Scouting, which has been very popular, can be read here - http://www.worldscoutingmuseum.org/swastikas.shtml.
     
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  16. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    It took 4 ever but i finally found the OP token on that site. Wish it gave rarity values but im pretty sure that 90% are extremely hard to find more than 1-2 examples of each. I have owned a few of the more common ones but i would buy the rarer ones for <$25 all day long.... I was shocked and amused that the Jewish Connection even had some of these made for advertising....
     
  17. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    It is also a symbol used extensively by the Aztecs.
     
  18. charlietig

    charlietig Well-Known Member

    Pontiac? :p
     
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    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

  20. Michael Spakousky

    Michael Spakousky New Member

    I lived in Korea for years. It's their symbol for Wisdom. On any Korean map Buddhist Temples are marked with the swastika icon. Also, an older copy of Rudyard Kipling's "IF" that I have also have the Swastika in it. The DIFFERENCE between the old symbol and the Nazi one is the slight rotation. Nazi Swastikas are always rotated 45 degrees counter-clockwise so that the point faces upwards and downwards like a lightning bolt. (Cited from: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/good-luck-swastika-token.262243/)
     
  21. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Replace "always" with "usually". :) Initially, in the early 1920s, the nazis used the swastika with the horizontal and vertical bars. A little later it was rotated to make it look more "dynamic". So when the nazi party became the government party, that rotated swastika was the standard. However, you would still find the older style a lot:

    https://www.dhm.de/fileadmin/medien/lemo/Titelbilder/o80-190.jpg
    (Mutterkreuz 1938)
    https://www.dhm.de/fileadmin/medien/lemo/Titelbilder/reichskanzlei1.jpg
    (Reichskanzlei 1939)
    https://www.dhm.de/fileadmin/medien/lemo/images/ba108573.jpg
    (Reichskanzlei 1939, photo 1945)

    Christian
     
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